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I am no expert in anyway when it comes to G3/4 phones but did you know that network providers are not allowed to encrypt voice calls and you have to resort to installing a App on both ends of the call to stop anyone listening in.
Why do you think the law is like that ?
Are we all to be treate as terrorists, guilty until proved inocent.
Stupid David Cameron even talked about banning HTTPS on the internet and was shown to be a fool but SSL is not half as secure as people think it is anyway, see my research
Did you also know that fake phone masts are being set up all the time to intercept calls and then relay them on to real cell phone stations or they can even do this from helicopters.
No they might not be looking up my wifes knickers but i don't want it public knowlage if i want too look only to find out that Google has traded my gay boyfreinds address for this bit of information.
If they are going to such lengths to spy on us then i will go to any lengths to stop them.
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I totally agree with what you're saying, but I would take that up with the phone providers or the government before blaming websites that ask for a number. It's blaming the wrong party.
Jeremy Falcon
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TV's, Tablets, Laptops and phones are all merging into one and if we give into them wanting our phone numbers then will it be our national insurance number next because they think they can own you.
Google is so big in parts of india that the locals think the internet is google.
My privacy has no price and politicians who should be passing laws to protect it are taking payments from corporaions to infrindge more into my life whilst at the same time trying to squash freedom of speech.
Feel free to shoot me down but i see a time not too far away when you have to decide if you will let them implant you with a RFID chip (Like a dog) to get that new job all for security reasons ofcourse and not only that but you will be made to ware a form of google glasses just so the manager can keep an eye on you, it's all profit you know.
We are well past the point were we need to take up this fight and should be pushing back.
See http://www.truthorfiction.com/nbc-rfid-chips-prediction/
also http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2934241/Swedish-company-implants-microchips-staff.html
I won't have any part of this madness anymore
Ho, yes and this is from a guy that built a system for a well known corporation that turned workers into slaves and had them scanning bar code every ten seconds after unpacking goods and even scanning a bar-code on the toilet door when they went for a pee and that was ten years ago.
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Your're missing the original point man.
Jeremy Falcon
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You could be right but make no mistake i have nothing good to say for ISP's and advise anyone to chuck the free router they give you away and buy yourself a firewall that stops the ISP's browsing youn LAN and I also know that was governments not paying Google for its data then they would be a lot less spying going on.
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Oh boy, I have bad news for you. Do you have a friend with Android phone? If so, then they already have your phone number. Do your friends use Facebook? I bet at lease one of them shared their contact list, so Facebook have your phone number, email and name too.
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Me misses only hooked up to whatApp so i know i am stuffed with the current number but maybe i won't be conditioned like others to just accept that we should all be watched.
What kind of world are we building if we just go along with it because its easy
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SMS is better than e-mail if you try to recover your account. Just saying.
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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I think you're over-reacting. Honestly, it's a freaking phone number. Who cares?
Dr Gadgit wrote: hey have spy scripts (Often Hidden in SSL) on just about ever web-site in the world
If there's a spy script on my website, it's because I put it there, or because the provider (like SquareSpace) put it there. And as far as Squarespace putting it there, all the better, as it provides some automatic indexing that makes my website more visible.
Marc
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Yes indeed so, no google scripts, bad google rating and your are on page 76 of any google search results.
I don't blame you one bit but don't take any stats you get for the site serious
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Dr Gadgit wrote: I don't blame you one bit but don't take any stats you get for the site serious
Heck, I don't even look at the stats! 
Marc
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Hey Doc, you can borrow my tin foil hat, sounds like you need it more than I do. I applaud your paranoia, but then I have similar attitudes, just not the dedication to do something about it!
While I try hard to minimise the exposure of personal data I don't take it to extremes. Google has my phone number and probably every other salient, or at least commercial piece of information about me, I own a phone 
I still think you are even more nuts than I am 
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Yes thanks for the loan of the tin foil hat, only trouble is i dare not give you me address on air to sent it too me.
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I consider my everyday phone number about as private as my house's street number, both simply being means to direct communications to my. If I wanted to discuss anything off record, I'd simply get another one just for that purpose.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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You can probably set up Google authenticator as [^] as a part of 2 step verification.
Having done this, I have never been asked for phone number. But then, I do not comment on or upload videos on YouTube.
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Thanks for the offer mate but i have as little to do with google as i can and they are the problem and not any part of the solution.
They should just stick to running a seach engine and not be forcing people to host spyscripts for them or else the site ends up on page 79 of any search results.
Also they should stop sorting the results to present a fake picture of the real world as is the case when it comes to politics
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Dr Gadgit wrote: Thanks for the offer mate but i have as little to do with google as i can and they are the problem and not any part of the solution.
I have a very different opinion on this. Some Google products are extremely valuable.
For other points you mentioned, I consider that are mere speculation. I am not saying it is false but it is not proven to be true either.
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If you care to look at some of the google spy-scripts then you would know that it is not speculation and also note that google is in court every other week.
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Dr Gadgit wrote: Don't be fooled people, it's not for your protection but so the nanny state can pay google/YT to spy on you and know ever word you post on the internet.
Actually - that Nanny State you speak of would be more likely to pass a law to protect you from yourself by forbidding Google for doing what they do.
But - partly because CP is the closest I have to membership in a social network and partly because I've been worried about my privacy before it was in fashion, I have no sympathy for complaints by the oh-so-many people with gmail accounts. One agrees, after all, that google can do what they like with your mail for as long as they like.
The beacon/etc. on nearly every sight - can be blocked with Ghostery - SSL cookies, too, can be managed/deleted, etc. Google's not doing anything every other business is doing. They might suck, but not especially so.
I don't want a YT/Twatter/other account and do not text - and it isn't google that's hassling me over it.
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I have read the poem more like... 5 times, and I am still not able to conclude what was author of the poem actually trying to write; who was the boy, why did he run? Anyone else had the same trouble for this poem?
I thought boy was making a run from the army that is approaching... But, some say he was a spy or soldier so might be a "Call of duty" for the boy.
http://homepages.wmich.edu/~cooneys/poems/auden.sound.html[^] (Poem: O What Is That Sound)
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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It's about enforced conscription; pretty much a way better version of Danny Boy.
Don't look for meaning in poetry, just feel it.
If you don't feel anything, try a different poem or poet -- you can please some of the people, etc.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Actually I did feel the poetry. The thing was she (my girl) has this poem in her course so I was to explain the meaning and the background of it to her. That is when it all happened! 
I have felt mostly Mark Twain (worthy to mention; The damned human race[^], what a great essay it was), Shakespeare (not mostly) and most often... Myself! I prefer my own writings
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Well it's unlikely to be a boy - he will be at least old enough to be considered for army service and to have taken marriage vows.
I agree with @Mark_Wallace that it's likely about (emphasis on the enforced part) conscription but it's possibly also about how promises (marriage vows) can go out the window in the face of a dire emergency (or sometimes not so dire  )
Note I'm assuming that the two voices are male and female - unlikely to be anything else given Auden's time.
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Exactly... CHill60, this was also my concern. That he is leaving the girl in the emergency. But she (my girl) would never believe me. 
Anyways, thank you for saying the same thing. Brought tears to my eyes!
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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As I read it, it's about the illusion of war being a great and noble thing where nobody is killed or injured and where the land and people are respected, even if they are your enemy. The last stanza illustrates the reality of it.
Marc
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