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and ran across this one; Mouse Pad[^]
Suitable for when I run into coding problems. 
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They could do a little better with the framing.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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I'll make some statements I believe to be true and then you can respond to each statement with true/false & reasoning.
On Windows x64 (and maybe Linux too) a (normal) process
1. gets an address space which is 4GB in size when the process starts
2. OS modules take up certain portion of that address space (1GB?)
3. The rest (3GB) is used for the stack & heap of the running process
4. As the app instantiates new objects (allocates memory for objects) on the heap, the amount of memory the process uses grows -- but it can never grow beyond the 3GB (4GB total) anyways, right?
5 ## This is a biggie ## A process can never eat up more memory than its address space allows 3GB (4GB total) so a process can never really impact another process anyways because each one is limited to 4GB anyways, right?
6. Extreme Example - If there is 128GB RAM in the hardware and we say OS (associated services) take up 28GB (to make things easy) and there are two services running (2 X 4GB = 8GB) then this machine could never run out of memory, since it would have 92GB just sitting idle
7 Driving A Point Home - So when a developer notices that the app he wrote running on the Server keeps crashing with "out of memory" error, then looks around and says, "Hey, wait a second, I think your service (which has been running on the Server long before aforementioned dev's app) is eating up memory and making mine die", then that developer is an idiot who doesn't understand process address space, right? Right? Right! 
This is also why
A. you can solve memory problems created by lots of processes running, by installing more memory (if hardware is further expandable)
B. You cannot solve memory problems of a service or app that crashes due to low memory (since it is simply eating it's own memory) by installing more memory (even if hardware is furhter expandable).
Agree? Agree some? Disagree? Disagree entirely?
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The 4GB limit is a Windows 32 limit, and the default in Win32 is 4 GB with 2 GB being granted the OS, effectively limiting the application to 2 GB. There is an option to make this 1 & 3 GB but I don't remember how to do this. Exchange Server and SQL Server versions designed to run on 32 bit Windows server used this option.
For Windows 64, the limits are listed at Memory Limits for Windows and Windows Server Releases - Win32 apps | Microsoft Learn. Note that 32-bit applications are still limited to 4GB simply because 2^32 is 4GB. 64 bit application limits vary by OS version, generally growing with each new version of Windows.
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Yes, that makes sense. I'm stuck in a Win32 mindset. 
That's all very good info. I appreciate you reading and replying.
Thanks for your time. 
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Are you the developer with the app that is dying or the app that is consuming memory like Lays/Walkers?
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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I'm the one with the app that has been running on server for a long time (many years).
No out of memory errors.
Other comes along and has out of memory errors then thinks it's someone else.
Kind of annoying. I'm mostly just curious, because my main point is that "you can't really entirely effect another process (this would be almost like a malicious process which could cause another app to fault)" because your app is stuck in it's own address space.
Now if the server has 4GB memory then yes maybe my app taking memory could cause you issue since neither of us really has the correct amount of space.
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I'm the kind of stuck that doesn't resolve itself to a programming question.
As an adult I used to work with someone I taught coding to back when we were teens, and we'd buddy code, and accomplish things neither one of us could do on our own. We worked really well together.
Eventually he went off to NYC to make obscene amounts of money.
But that's the kind of help I need. This SVG stuff is absolutely kicking my ass.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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honey the codewitch wrote: off to NYC to make obscene amounts of money
Sorry, can't help you there. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Quote: [...] obscene amounts of money.
honey the codewitch wrote: [...] that's the kind of help I need.
Me too.
On the serious side, I strongly doubt the magician would happen again.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Get a rubber duck*?
* Made a typo there once, made for an interesting conversation 
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Well it's one of those problems where something has gone dramatically wrong and I don't even know where in the codebase to start looking. It's gotten to the point where I've decided to support TinyVG instead, eventually in addition to SVG
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Sander Rossel wrote: Made a typo there once, made for an interesting conversation
A ... robber duck ? 
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Take a break from it for a while, if you can. Don't know how many times I've been stuck and taken a break and when I came back to it...bam.
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Does anyone know why we have not been getting The Code Project's "Daily News" emails in the past week or so?
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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