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Dean Hawthorne 2021 wrote: And MM/DD/YYYY doesn't sort lexically either. I, for one, admitted that right off the top.
There's no advantage of mm/dd over dd/mm, or vis-versa, except for the obvious one: it should reflect the way people speak.
In science and business - yyyymmdd is the rational solution because sorting (for example) is needed without ridiculous accommodations (such as in code).
The key here is to realize writing, deep down inside, is a way to represent speech and transfer ideas. Smoothly. For the people with whom one is in contact with pretty much all the time. The smoother and more convenient it/they is/are for this purpose the better.
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I just use ISO 8601 UTC date/time for technical communication and in the cases the date/time should be stored as a string - when stored as a date (without time zone information), I store it as UTC.
For display, I just use the settings of the user - show it in his/her format and time zone.
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Yes! I even write ISO 8601 format on personal correspondence, check (yes, checks!), etc.
But I still have to deal with files at work that come in MM-dd-yy format - yes, using dashes "-" instead of slashes, and others that are dd-MM-yy, so it's ambiguous when read in context for various countries.
Hello all specification authors! Don't invent a new format! Just Don't! I've never seen anyone get confused reading ISO 8601 format
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I have spent far too much time "correcting" data from US sources. It is frustrating.
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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I'll think about, but leaning towards OK. Maybe I should call rivers "River Mississippi" instead of Mississippi River as well. Just kidding ...
If it ain't broke don't fix it
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D/M/Y Surely?
Question: Why *do* Americans use M/D/Y? Totally wierd. Low to high (chronologically): D/M/Y.
Today is 07/04/2021
Either 4'th of July. Or 7'th of April.
Each to their own, though...
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Chris Maunder I understand your concern
But my question is why not harvest the IP address and make a decision
the date format that would be favorable for that location
YES VPN use will render this UI design less than desirable
Just a thought from a novice so please feel free to correct my thinking
or lack of experience
In my profession we used metric to compound pharmaceuticals
so I guess a lot depends on if your web site or product is
used or reviewed by multiple countries
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Choroid wrote: why not harvest the IP address and make a decision
It's not about location (which is unreliable to guess and unavailable in many instances). It's about culture. If I'm travelling in the US (in some distant Utopian future) that doesn't mean once I cross the border I suddenly understand that 4/7 means 7 Apr instead of 4 Jul.
Why not simply spell the date out. 4 Jul 2021 is not much longer than 7/4/2021.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Quote: spell the date out. 4 Jul 2021 I concur. For readability this is how it is best displayed. Internally, "20210704" makes more sense but should never be needed on the display - for example, column sorting can be done using the value not the text of the field.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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It's easy to make it unambiguous by simply using a 4 digit year, a 2 digit day, and a 3 letter month. In this way it is impossible to mix up one of the date values. For example: 04apr2021 is how a company I worked for used dates, you could also use: apr04,2021 or 2021apr04 or 2021/04apr or whatever you prefer.
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Would an amalgamation of Polygram Records, Warner Brothers, and Cracker Barrel Country Stores call themselves Poly-Warner-Cracker?
Would Apple, Amazon, and Twitter market the iAmatwit?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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CraPo-War
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Bravo, Maestro (+)
If MS gets involved in the cannabis business will they manufacture a Bing-Bong ?
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As in IoT-wired? That sounds like yet another useless IoT-connected device.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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and if Google and Campbell's merged, we'd get
Alphabet Soup
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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If pepsi and coca cola merged, they would be pepsi cola.
Wait a second...
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their case against Oracle. The Supreme Court has decided in their favor in the battle of copyrighting APIs : Supreme Court hands Google a victory in a multibillion-dollar case against Oracle - CNN[^].
This could open up a lot of doors. One I hope opens is AMD's support for CUDA on their GPUs. That could be huge!
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Thank goodness!
Now look out for the change in the law to make the judgment irrelevant...
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That would not be a surprise but they passed again on the question of the copyright itself so who knows when that law will be changed? It will likely take an act of Congress at this point, as it rightly should.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Rick York wrote: It will likely take an act of Congress at this point, as it rightly should.
Oh absolutely, that is what I am suggesting will happen, albeit not immediately.
Also, such a change in the law need not alter the principle of copyright in general; it would only need to alter the legal scope of certain types of algorithm. That's much easier to wriggle through with big money backing than a wholesale alteration of copyright.
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Place you least want to be?[^]
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Everything gets covered in green this time of year, unless we get some well timed rains.
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