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Provide support for crawler (11)
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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CATER-PILLAR
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Quote: Ah, breaker one-nine, this here's the Rubber Duck
You gotta copy on me, Pig Pen, c'mon?
Ah, yeah, 10-4, Pig Pen, fer shure, fer shure
By golly, it's clean clear to Flag Town, c'mon
Yeah, that's a big 10-4 there, Pig Pen
Yeah, we definitely got the front door, good buddy
Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a theme week!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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YAUT
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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La oruga muy hambrienta
The very hungry caterpillar
That book always made me hungry!
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It's screaming about a bunch of warnings that didn't crop up in .Net Framework. CS8600, 8601, 8602, and 8618. I see no benefit when the objects it's screaming about can in fact be null without hurting anything. In fact, my code is written to handle it gracefully.
Nanny state bullsh|t...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I realize that (and I've done it), but having to do it now when it's been good for 20 years is annoying.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Open the .csproj file and change "the" line to read:
<Nullable>disable</Nullable>
And yes, bloody annoying.
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No need to edit, that Nullable switch is available under Properties/Build/General
Luc Pattyn [My Articles]
The Windows 11 "taskbar" is disgusting. It should be at the left of the screen, with real icons, with text, progress, etc. They downgraded my developer PC to a bloody iPhone.
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#realJSOP wrote: Nanny state bullsh|t... Yup. The state dictates that, offcourse.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Let me see.
I can enable null check - clearly advertising intent outside my method - make it very clear where I can ignore null check and get the compiler to tell me where I need it. Reference types and value types both able to advertise clearly if they are nullable or not.
Or I can disable nullable check and accept more null reference exceptions - often not telling you enough to easily tell what was null when all you have is a log file from a production server. When calling a method always having to wonder "hmm, can this return null or not" - and either forget to handle null in one or another edge case, or clutter the code with null handling code that will never execute. And have value types that can communicate if they can be null or not, while my reference types can't.
And in case you say "never happens to me". Well, congratulation for working on such a simple code base.
It is not exactly a hard choice for new code. I can't think of a single reason to disable it besides "I am not used to it".
For old code it is of course a question if it is worth the investment which will vary from project to project.
It is unfortunately not as good as it should be due to the requirement to link to libraries developed before null checks, but at least it is an attempt to fix one of the most serious design mistakes in the .NET type system.
Can we please get more "nanny state" to let the compiler deal with this trivial crap so I can concentrate on the domain.
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Just to add to my own argument....
Why should:
int i = null;
be an error and you have to write
int? i = null;
while
object obj = null;
is supposed to be OK?
And yes, I understand the technical and historical reasons for this. And they are exactly that: technical and historical. The compiler can finally move us beyond this.
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I disagree with this sentiment. I think that the way a variable is declared is very important to allow the compiler to check for misuse. Any misuse found would indicate that the programmer means something other than what he wrote.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Either you misunderstood what I wrote, or I misunderstood you
With nullable:
object? obj;
object obj;
clearly indicate if "null" is an expected value. The "null" state is very useful - but also a very special - state, so these declarations allow the developer to clearly express if the null state is (or can be) used or not.
Without nullable
object? obj;
covers both cases and the compiler has no way to help checking for what you refer to as misuse.
Your first sentence indicates you disagree with this, but then the rest says the opposite?
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I'd have thought it was more annoying that .NET 5 is only supported until May:
Microsoft .NET and .NET Core - Microsoft Lifecycle | Microsoft Docs[^]
The current "long-term support" version is .NET 6, which is supported until ... November 2024[^].
Turns out not having to rewrite everything every three years is yet another bonus to sticking with .NET Framework 4.8.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Before the release of .NET 6:
1) Do you want support longer than 3 months? If so, use .NET Core 3.1 or .NET Framework 4.8
2) Do you want to receive security updates through Windows updates? If so, use .NET 5 or .NET Framework 4.8.
3) Do you want to use latest Open API standard? If so, use .NET 3.1 or 5.0.
Ehh...
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You missed one:
4) Do you want to use SQL Server Reporting Services? If so, use .NET Framework 4.8.
The suggestion to develop a .NET Core report viewer[^] was "under review" for over 4 years, and was one of the highest-voted feedback items. Microsoft recently announced their plans for this: upgrade your reports to a Power BI Premium subscription[^]. Because paying them for the SQL Server license obviously wasn't enough money.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I am sure there are plenty of other things. Software development has pretty much been torn apart by some things moving too fast while others move too slow. If you build very simple things you can be in either camp and it will work. But if you need anything slightly complicated, you will be stuck between the two and productivity will go out the window.
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And that's why instead of renewing my 14 years old knowledge of C# I decided to send MS to the Hell they belong and move to Python for my RAD activities.
For all my other activities C++ is the pinnacle of high level but usually only C is viable, and Assembler becomes a not unreasonable tool.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Python? Aww, that is nice nest of hornets, if some external boundaries are enforced (like only using a version supported by the official repo of your distro)
Good luck finding out what works how in 3.7, 3.9, 3.10.
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Peter Adam wrote: Good luck finding out what works how in 3.7, 3.9, 3.10.
Yrah it's a fast cycle VB, it's the VB3->VB4->VB5->VB6 transitions all over again. Though with mostly windows workstation or prepackaged runtimes for Linux it can be used without issues. It does require a process, that's for sure. Which is fine, in automotive we love processes and SPICEs.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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In this case, I don't have a choice. I have to use .Net Core because I'm doing an Avalonia app.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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