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Different worlds, indeed. If it takes two years to get up to speed, that's a completely different animal than, for instance, what I'm currently doing. It took me no time to ramp up with the technology, and only a week or two to really feel what's going on.
I've had nine jobs, ranging from 6 months to 7 years. The 6 month thing - they treated employees with no respect/reward so an old guy like me will stand up to them ... and get fired I've currently got a great situation that I hope to hold for many years, but ya never know. It's in the auto industry - any bets?
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One negative, and the other posts point to this, is that a LOT of people don't have 28 years of experience.
They have the SAME 2yrs of experience 14yrs in a row. (Some have 1yr of experience 28yrs in a row!).
Overall, stability is not an issue. It is the ability to deal with a pace of change.
It is the ability to adapt.
On the other hand, look at this guys company. If it takes 2yrs to get up to speed, someone who sticks around for ONLY 3yrs will bankrupt you! You never get more than 50% out of the training investment.
You have to consider that.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Surely that comes up in interviews
I have never been asked about it. I have been an interviewer a lot as well and I don't ask it either.
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6 company in 12 years since I'm in Australia.
Hasn't been a problem, 2 years on average in a job is not problem, as far I experienced during my job interviews!
This last one is really good, I'm preparing myself for a length record! :P
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Over 35 years, two Government jobs (both 6 month contract positions) so they are still there, if not under the names they were.
Of the 5 other companies:
The first is still going, but a shadow and in a totally different business.
The second failed a year after I left (which surprised me not in the slightest - that was why I left)
The third went bust while I was there (Customer went bust, owing us 1/3 of our annual turnover)
The fourth closed about 4 years after I left following a major disagreement between the father and son I had left running it.
The fifth is still going and apparently strong (there was a purge about two years after I left and everyone I knew was "persuaded" to leave, so I don't know how well it is really doing).
Never underestimate the power of stupid things in large numbers
--- Serious Sam
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Nope.
General Dynamics Pomona Division - gone
Northrop Electromechanical Division - gone
TRW Ballistic Missile Division - gone
When I left, I turned out the lights and took the brains with me.
Will Rogers never met me.
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27 for me in June.
(1) 1987-1994 - DEC = Extinct
(2) 1994-2000 - Kodak (Digital & Applied Imaging Group) = Extinct
(3) 2000-2003 - Startup 1 = Crashed and burned
(4) 2003-2006 - Startup 2 = Acquired by Oracle
(5) 2006-2007 - Company 3 = Acquired by Microsoft
(6) 2007-2011 - Company 4 = Alive and well
(7) 2011-now - Startup 3 = Acquired by Ceridian
/ravi
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We worked for Kodak at the same time! At that time, I worked for Dayton Operations. I still work for Kodak, but we're called IPS (Integrated Print Solutions, or some rot like that) now.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: We worked for Kodak at the same time! At that time, I worked for Dayton Operations.
I was at KBDC (Kodak Boston Development Center). Kodak was a great gig! I've made life-long friends there. We had an awesome manager - she now runs R&D @ Frog.
/ravi
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Despite the Chapter 11, Kodak is still a good place to work, at least for me. I'm doing things I enjoy, and the company seems to be more sane than a lot of the places my friends work.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: DEC = Extinct
It's only mostly dead.
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Companies - 4, 3 still around
Laid off - 1 (they went bankrupt, I was literally their last employee, and was there a week longer than anybody else, prepping all of their computers and servers for auction for the administrators)
Resigned - 2 (although talking to one of these about heading back for a while)
My own - 1 (well sorta, it's what I call myself when I do freelance work)
modified 16-Jan-14 12:13pm.
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34 years of experience, 4 companies.
Company 1: Resigned, profitable when I left; now defunct.
Company 2: Local office closed, but profitable at the time; self-performed lobotomy followed by self-performed castration, and now defunct.
Company 3: Startup, profitable but no new business coming in; essentially sold.
Company 4: Just exited chapter 11 bankruptcy; 23 years and still here!
Software Zen: delete this;
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In the late 90s and early 00s, I was headhunted extensively: I still had resumes circulating where I admitted to knowing COBOL. I chose -- regretfully at the time -- to stay with the company I was with.
Almost 18 years later, I'm still with this company and doing quite well. As far as I can tell, none of the companies that had been falling all over themselves to get me exist any more.
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20+ years, 3 companies, 2 still alive.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Most of the companies I have worked for no longer exist.
In every case the result has always ended in better employment.
The company before my current position was bought out and liquidated and production sent offshore. The CEO of that company ended up in jail for throwing a two million dollar toga party for his wife's birthday party using a million of the compnay's money. Details.[^]
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Company 1 - 15 years - asked to leave but believe it was rif - alive and well
Company 2 - 13 years - mutual departure before rif - company alive, branch office/division gone
Company 3 - 2 years - left - doing okay last I heard
Company 4 - Still there - they say going good
Not bad for 38 years.
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djj55 wrote: believe it was rif
What's "rif?"
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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1st company (7 years) bought by a big fish 2 years after I left...
2nd company (17 years) still around but it's harder every day
3rd company - I'm looking for it...
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Companies: 4
Resigned: 1
Profitable upon exit: 1 ( still working at the 3rd company, but this company is going strong)
1st company I worked for is no longer around. Recently, I saw on LinkedIn my former CEO is now at another company.
2nd company still around and most likely going strong. Was extremely happy on leaving because they supposedly needed a programmer and I rarely programmed. My biggest contention with them was the negative work environment. I still have nightmares that I am forced to work there again. I left as soon as I could. I was there for only 13 months.
3rd company still around and growing fast. I still work here with 2+ years and hoping that I can stay here longer. The work environment here is so positive that not only co-workers do events to make it positive, but HR invests a pretty penny to make working here enjoyable.
4th company is something I am starting myself. Never started a company before, but it is quite a challenge working a day job and coming home to work on your company. Still trying to find the balance between the two. (So far it is not profitable).
Interesting discussion you raised.
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I think all of mine exist, although some were assimilated.
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I've worked in IT in various guises for 6 companies over 33 years.
2 (ICL NZ and ICL Aus) were taken over by Fujitsu in 1992, who still exist and appear to be doing fairly well. Whether they're profitable I don't know but they show no sign of vanishing. I transferred from the NZ company to the Aus one and eventually resigned about 12 months after the Fujitsu takeover.
Then worked for another company which I resigned from and subsequently it went through two mergers and then the last entity was bought by Fujitsu NZ.
Meanwhile after leaving the company mentioned above, I (re)joined Fujitsu but resigned after 3 years to do contracting which I had a shelf company for. I still have that for tax purposes - loss making on paper but money appears in my pocket from time to time).
My current employer is a public broadcaster owned by the gov't so I guess you could say it's profitable although that's not it's aim (but we try hard not to overspend the budget).
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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30+ years consulting/contracting (9 at the current place) and I have no idea how many places I have worked with, companies like Dell and NHS are still around, Wang went tits up and there are a myriad of financial organisations I have contracted to that are probably still around. Quite different to permie history I guess.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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