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It's not just about language - does the candidate have an appropriate knowledge of and inclination towards low-level programming, as you're likely to see in small embedded systems? Bits, bytes, addresses, malloc and free ... Realising there's no garbage collector to handle memory for them - maybe no heap allocation at all! Tight timing requirements, low latency responses... All of that is kind of non-Java... Just saying...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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I'm inclined to also say no, but really what that means in this case is that their resume would not be at the top of the stack.
If they've only ever done Java, then I would expect a serious deficiency in their knowledge of memory management/garbage collection, since they're used to having that handled by the VM. Java also doesn't have pointers, so expect that to be another pain point.
That said, my company does hire a lot of kids fresh out of school. We start them with a 3 month paid internship (roughly $10/hour). If they're able to get up to speed in that time (and we have enough work), we offer them a full position. So far it's worked out pretty well. Out of 20-25 interns over that last 4 years there's only been one that we had to let go due to incompetence. The rest we either hired, or they got positions at other companies in our industry.
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If it's a guy straight out of college, then he probably can't write in C++ OR Java, but just thinks very highly of himself. It's not like he's disabled or anything. If you have time to train him up, Java isn't unrecoverably dissimilar to C++. But it will be slow going for about two years until he has basic mastery of C++. He could be productive sooner if the project is not too demanding. (Without meaning to be insulting, if EEs do the coding now, it's probably not too demanding). But he won't be able to just sit down and start cranking out code the first day. You said you were agile, and hinted that to you agile means cronically in a rush. Retreading an enterprise java guy doesn't seem like what you want to do in a rush.
The mindset for embedded C++ is all about optimization and performance, templates and inlining and profiling. The mindset for enterprise Java is all about memorizing design patterns and writing elaborate factory methods. Learning the difference in syntax is easy. Unlearning the enterprise mindset and acquiring the embedded mindset is probably harder.
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(Without meaning to be insulting, if EEs do the coding now, it's probably not too demanding).
Oh, hell, maybe soapbox?
Without taking offense, I understand exactly where you are coming from. I work with the one CS guy in our group. He's amazing. He can couple systems together so fast.
I like the other idea of bringing people in as interns, I'd pay them a bit more though. The issue is that you have to have the manpower of being able to support said interns. That part is a management decision. Right now, I'm dealing with code written by said whiz kid that has no real mapping to the problem domain. So, sometimes a CS can cause issues
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Microsoft missed the shift to mobile because it was focused on the PC, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said in an interview with ZDNet.
Is this also called a blunder?
A small mistake here is that this is possibly "Insider News" stuff
modified 15-Jul-15 6:19am.
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objection
item -> object
atom -> ion
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well done, you are up tomorrow.
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Damn. There goes my evening... figuring out a clue for tomorrow
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Think about this:
- Cows
- The Constitution
- The Ten Commandments
COWS
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Canada almost three years earlier, right to the stall where she slept in the state of Washington? And, they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country. Maybe we should give each of them a cow.
THE CONSTITUTION
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq ....why don't we just give them ours?
It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and we're not using it anymore.
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse is this -- you cannot post:
'Thou Shalt Not Steal'
'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery,' and
'Thou Shall Not Lie'
in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment.
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Well, the cows don't generally try to avoid controls, nor they are backed by organized crime poor things ar moostly harmless :P
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1) Illegal immigrants don't have ear tags.
2) There are already enough guns in Iraq - they don't need a set of rules which says "more is a good idea"
3) The first commandment was the real sticking point: Money is the first, last and only with that bunch. By the time they got to the fifth, it was clear it wasn't going to work, since most of 'em had sold their parents down the river years before...
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OriginalGriff wrote: There are already enough guns in Iraq - they don't need a set of rules which says "more is a good idea"
Please, do tell... where in the US constitution does it say more guns is a good idea?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Doesn't it say that you even have the right to arm bears?
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It's taken me years of careful pruning of my Facebook to stop getting this sort of shite turning up on there.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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That's the best thing to do on Facebook
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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The best thing to do on Facebook is to not do Facebook.
You missed that boat - I'd suggest stealing a new identity.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Yeah, but he did it very carefully, so as no one has actually realized that he unfriended them yet.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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I started with all those who had liked Britain First or UKIP, that seemed to help a lot.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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The problem with BritainFirst is that it comes across as reasonable until you know what they stand for.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: The problem with BritainFirst is that it comes across as reasonable until you know what they stand for. Kinda true of every single political party on Earth in our long history if you ask me.
* Disclaimer - I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about BritainFirst.
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Just checked my local supermarket's websites for "Pony tail rings"
Tesco: "Sorry, we didn't find any products to match 'pony tail rings'."
Asda: 8 bottles of wine, and a couple of packets of hula-hoops...
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LOL in many cases loose search algorithms work very good for retail sites as they allow to show more products even if you're not specifically searching for them - it is the same reason why they tend to scatter things in the physical stores under different labels and why they often change the layout of the shelves.
Also you made me feel nostalgic of UK.
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