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That mouthful of c**k is starting to make you dribble.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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M Sukhdeep wrote: Poetic and spiritual meanings escape them. That's absolute nonsense.
"I believe in some deity, therefore I am mentally and psychologically superior to those who don't" really doesn't wash -- especially given that the most spiritual and poetic people I know (and I know a lot of writers and poets) believe that there is no deity.
Take it to the soapbox; I've had enough of reading religious supremacist cr@p in the Lounge.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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M Sukhdeep wrote: Atheists caught up in the physical aspects only (proving God exists with science), which misses the point.
Again, you have some misconceptions.
We're not trying to prove (or disprove) God at all. Theists are, and failing miserably at it. We just ask the questions.
The whole thing comes down to this. If you're going to try to make laws and force everyone else to live by what YOU perceive as Gods word, YOU better bring some damn good evidence to the table for proving it is indeed Gods word and not mans. That's where the theists fall flat on their face. In order to prove it is Gods word, you first have to prove there is a God. Then you have to prove those words came from God.
Until then...
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M Sukhdeep wrote: Poetic and spiritual meanings escaped them I admit I'm not a big fan of utter crap.
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Spot on.
But DNFTT!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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In all honesty, the OP was by Mycroft, and while I personally don't care, it should probably have been posted in the soapbox.
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Oops, I did not think it would deteriorate into a religious bun fight. And you are right should have been in the SB.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Don't knock poetry.
And if you don't want spirits, I'll drink 'em for you!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Quote: I'll drink 'em for you! Fall in line - behind me!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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In descending order of reputation sounds fair to me...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Depends. Which one of you can drink the most?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I can drink much more than I can afford, so I end up hardly drinking at all!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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M Sukhdeep wrote: Poetic and spiritual meanings escape them. Hardly! I find J.S Bach's St Matthew passion to be one of the most beautiful pieces of music and libretto ever written and I do not believe in a creator God.
I also appreciate Rumi's poetry.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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And yet, having two brain hemispheres working independently, you are a conscious being able to appreciate abstract meanings. That proves beyond a doubt that humans are more than flesh and bone, but an eternal soul.
If that were not the car, we would all be 2 or 3 conscious beings in one body due to the different physical brain regions.
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M Sukhdeep wrote: And yet, having two brain hemispheres working independently, you are a conscious being able to appreciate abstract meanings. That proves beyond a doubt that humans are more than flesh and bone, but an eternal soul.
OK, that's an assertion. Prove it. First, define exactly what an "eternal soul" is and then prove it exists.
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Nah mate. The link you supplied no more proves the existence of a soul than it proves how computers work or how Elon's cars are assembled.
Return to go, do NOT collect $200
Don't worry, you'll get the hang of Code Project in a year or two.
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That only thing that proves is someone knows the basics of HTML. It doesn't prove a damn thing as far as the subject goes. It's just a ton of assertions, nothing more.
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If you reach the end of an algebra problem, and realize your answer is "1=2", you know that you miscalculated somewhere, because the answer is BY DEFINITION wrong.
Likewise, if you figure through your world view that the 9/11 hijackers, or the sandy hook shooter, who endeavored to commit evil then escape unpunished, if you believe that they succeeded in that endeavor due to the absence of an eternal soul to endure punishment, then you know you have a problem somewhere, because it cannot by definition be a GOOD world view if it allows evil to go unpunished.
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And you STILL haven't proven a damn thing.
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HOW has this proven nothing?
How is it possible to be a good person, and believe that there is no eternal soul or accountability after death, that evil can actually win...
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I already told you. It's a ton of assertions. Perhaps you need to go look up the definition of the word.
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No, going against common knowledge of thousands of years, and asserting that humans are not a spiritual being is the assertion which you have not proven.
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The only thing common about "common knowledge" is it is really "common assumption".
EDIT: In the first six sentences of "Creation" alone, there are 10 vague assertions and not a shred of evidence to any of them. For example:
1) What is "God"? How do you define and prove this?
2) What is "Spirit"? How do you define and prove this?
3) He is infinite. OK, how do you prove this? What is your evidence?
4) He is eternal. OK, how do you prove this? What is your evidence?
5) He has always existed. OK, how prove this? What is your evidence?
6) He is without bounds. OK, what does that even mean? What is your evidence?
7) He is "all". OK, what the $#&^$ does that even mean?
8) He is all powerful. Do I really have to keep repeating myself?
9) He is all knowing. Again...
10) He is the beginning. Beginning of what? How does this relate to "always existed"? What is your proof?
11) He is the end. Same as 10.
Do I really have to keep going? I can rip apart the entire page like this and you are struggling to try and prove even a single word of it.
I have made no claims that humans NOT being spiritual beings (this is called a NEGATIVE claim). I have also not made any claim that we are. YOU have (POSITIVE claim).
You accused me of making a NEGATIVE claim. Negative claims can never be proved true. On the other hand, you have made the POSITIVE claim that humans are spiritual beings. The burden of proof is on you to define exactly what a "spiritual being" is and how to test this is true.
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