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What if you were the pedestrian and some drunk idiot was driving?
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What? We're talking about self-driving cars. How are drunk drivers relevant to this discussion? Unless you think AI can get drunk.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Tesla cars I guess, where the software deals with collision detection and some autonomy but ultimately there is still a human with some responsibility [I find it hard to picture a car where the owner/driver/whoever is controlling it is absolved of all responsibility].
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Wastedtalent wrote: I find it hard to picture a car where the owner/driver/whoever is controlling it is absolved of all responsibility
Obviously it's hypothetical situation, otherwise we wouldn't have this conversation.
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I also did, but looked ahead at other problems, so avoided crossing into the other lane unless a barrier was there.
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Leslie also posted this solution: God Mode ON[^]
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Surely there would also need to be a preferredTarget array?
Something like:
var preferredTargets = [MIL, WIFES_EX_BOYFRIEND, OBNOXIOUS_NEIGHBOUR_WITH_BARKING_CHIHUAHUA];
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant Anonymous
- The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine Winston Churchill, 1944
- I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Me, all the time
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But has Leslie posted this one yet? Self-Driving Car Ethics[^]
This also seems relevant: An Ethical Trilemma[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Actually, we don't really need self driving cars. It would be enough if we could install AI in the 99% of drivers that are thinking impaired...
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant Anonymous
- The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine Winston Churchill, 1944
- I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Me, all the time
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Summary:
I care for the law
I care for the human
I care for the young
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: I care for the young
In the Asian culture, they'd let young people die over elderly : Knowledge has more importance than youth.
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I didn't say it is my view... It is the summary of some AI of my decisions...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Mine as my own? It depends. As of now, to prioritize the safety of me an the passengers.
When or if the self driving cars will be common or even mandatory by law I'll reprogram mine to be as daring as possible and to wipe the axe with the rules. All of the other cars will be forced by their own algorithms to avoid collision with unpredictable behaviour.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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den2k88 wrote: to prioritize the safety of me an the passengers. Of course - who would want to buy a car they knew were programmed to spare other people and kill the driver if necessary? Stupid idea in the first place!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant Anonymous
- The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine Winston Churchill, 1944
- I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Me, all the time
modified 5-Sep-16 6:49am.
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Anything that isn't me is unimportant!
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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I have trouble judging any of the scenarios. I find it difficult to believe that a self-driving car would be going so fast in an area where pedestrians cross roads, that the built-in safety features of the car wouldn't protect its occupants when crashing into something. Given that, we're really comparing the ethics of a self-driving car control software failure compounded by a brake failure, vs. running over pedestrians. Given that, it's a double failure -- might as well crash the car in all cases since it should already have happened long ago, before ever picking up that much speed and risking getting that close to pedestrians.
How to slow down a vehicle whose brakes have failed is Driving 101, and I sure hope it still is today. Any manufacturer of self-driving car that doesn't have those strategies programmed into it, is 100% liable for all property damage and injury that results.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Somehow, they just fail to deliver on the promise. Now this[^] on the other hand...
This space for rent
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Where's the water slide?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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That's freaky.
And I want to go.
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I need a bit of hive mind help. I'm working on a proposal and one of the client requirements is that they accept the hosted solution but the data must be kept within the confines of the EU. Specifically the data must not be held anywhere under US jurisdiction.
Now, we intend to use Amazon EC2 services in eu-west region. Now, I know logically this is referencing the Irish data centre, but can we be sure that it will be physically there? The client wants some sort of assurance from us and short of getting into a slinging match with Amazon support, I hoped someone here might have a definitive answer.
veni bibi saltavi
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: they accept the hosted solution but the data must be kept within the confines of the EU. Specifically the data must not be held anywhere under US jurisdiction. By default, no matter where the data is held, because Amazon is a corporate entity with its head office in the USA, the data is in US jurisdiction. That's the practical effect of the Patriot Act, and is one of the biggest bones of contention. You can have Amazon based in Dublin and hosting data in Germany, for instance, but if the US government invokes the Patriot Act for details about a person/entity, Amazon have to supply information from that subentity.
This space for rent
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That may be an embugerement, but thanks anyway. I will have to discuss this with daboss.
veni bibi saltavi
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: embugerement
or rather: emelephantment!
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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That jurisdiction because of headquarters has not survived court challenges. And, the one test case has been challenged so far, by Microsoft. They pointed out the risks if it were to apply in reverse.
I've been staying away from US-headquartered firms because of this, regardless.
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