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We call the line and anything beyond as 'shoulder'...
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dontgointheditch ?
Mircea
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"edge line" seems logical - in the spirit of KISS.
And risking being called rude (again) - it took very little time for somebody ( not mentioning any names to identify / embarrass the guilty ) to get off the tangent / subject and talk about CENTER line when the OP was clear about the location of the line.
In my opinion - some people just do not read well...
and it has very little to do with Queens English skills.
Most frustrating part, to me, how can one expect good technical
response / discussion when simple not technical question gets botched down?
(And when I point that out , I am rude....so I will NOT SAY THAT......)
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Peter_in_2780 wrote: What do you call the white line on the outer edge of the road
White line.
The one in the middle is called the (solid or dashed) "yellow line."
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David Crow wrote: The one in the middle is called the (solid or dashed) "yellow line."
Over here it's white. The edge line is white on most roads, and green on motorways (not sure of the US term).
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I hate everything mechanical that you connect to a computer.
Especially something that has as many mechanical parts as a printer.
I only have 2 sentences written and already I'm feeling a long rant coming up. I could go in so many directions.
But I'll try to keep it short.
I've wasted enough time and money on this printer that randomly chooses to display this error that just tells you to send the printer back to the manufacturer. Looking up the error suggests that, despite this, the error "might" go away on its own just by replacing the ink cartridges.
Obviously, it's an ink-jet printer. I despise them. The ink always dries up long before I'm ready to print. Last time I printed anything (just a few pages), the cartridges were brand new. This weekend, the cartridges, a transparent plastic container, all show more than 80% of the ink is gone. I replaced them with my last spares, still in a shrink-wrap. The printer still shows the same error.
This is not the first time this happens. I've had enough. The replacement (printer, that is, not cartridges) is coming from Amazon this week. Once that one is set up and prints, I'm going full Office Space on this one.
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Throw it in the ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing recycle bin, and get a laser.
It sits there in low power standby all the time. I print, it grabs paper and prints, then goes back to low-power standby. No ink to evaporate, no Epson date-chip expiry, no spending half an hour trying to get enough print lines working to get a recognisable image ...
This is my second laser, and I got it second hand, three years old, still on it's original cartridges (which were low) from eBay for £50. It prints double sided at 16 ppm, single sided at 36ppm (Black and white) or colour at 32 ppm and holds over a ream of paper. A set of aftermarket cartridges cost me £40 six months ago and I still haven't even opened them yet ... 
Only drawback is size: it's pretty big compared to an inkjet.
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I was going to say much the same. I have a laser that's at least 10 years old, and "just works". I'm sure I've seen LaserJet III printers much older than that, just working, as long as you can get toner. Back in the day, HP knew how to build stuff that lasted, and didn't annoy the customers.
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k5054 wrote: Back in the day, HP knew how to build stuff that lasted,
They certainly did: not long ago I had to part ways with my LaserJet 6MP after almost 30 years of faithful service.
Along the way I started to use Canon MF printers (last one is also colour) and they aren't too bad either. However the previous Canon I had to let go because there were no scanner drivers for anything newer then Windows XP  .
Mircea
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My father had the same problem, that's why I installed the scanner in a VM, the printer did worked in the Win 7
M.D.V. 
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Yes, I did the same thing for a couple of years but it was cumbersome to start computer, start VM, copy scanned document from VM to network.... In the end I found a newer Canon in rebate and replaced the old one.
The old printer was still working great over the network and I tried to give it for free but everyone who seemed interested was asking if it has Wifi. No one seemed to want a printer with only a LAN interface. In the end I had to dump it at a recycle centre... kids these days! 
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: Yes, I did the same thing for a couple of years but it was cumbersome to start computer, start VM, copy scanned document from VM to network.... In the end I found a newer Canon in rebate and replaced the old one.
Of course... it is not practical, but my father scans maybe once a year and I configured the output folder of the scanner already as a shared, so no need to copy from A to B.
But yes. I wouldn't do that myself. I do scan almost every important document. Keeping the paper and the electronic copies of it
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Nelek wrote: Keeping the paper and the electronic copies of it
Reminds me of an old joke:
Employee: Can we destroy these old documents?
Boss: Sure, but first make a copy!
Me, I'm aiming for a paperless house. Didn't happen yet but I'm on the right path.
Mircea
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I live in a country where the agencies still use fax. 
Just want to be sure I can make them understand me in case of need.
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Have you been talking to my office manager and accountant?
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I abandoned scanners as well - my phone has a "document mode" which does a good job of correcting parallax. Wouldn't be suitable for bulk work, but I scan individual documents only these days - like when some strange individual sends me a paper cheque and I have to pay it in ... fortunately, my bank is more up to date than them! 
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HP wasn't keen to update the drivers, too. Fortunately their low-end was language compatible with some higher tiers, so we printed on a LJ1010 on W7 64 bit with first paper in 40 secs, 5 secs pause between pages
MS kicked them when they denied drivers for W10, making themselves a few, then HP cached up - 2 years after W10 launch.
Looks like the Samsung merger injected HP with some long needed customer service viewpoint.
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k5054 wrote: Back in the day, HP knew how to build stuff that lasted, and didn't annoy the customers.
I have a LaserJet 4350 or some-such model, big office printer with all the accessories, that nobody wanted when the last place I worked at shut down. I don't use it much, but it is still working great, and it's got to be at least 20 years old by now (my previous employer had it for a few years, and the place shut down in 2007).
(That's not the problematic printer, obviously)
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Yep - mine is a Xerox VersaLink C400 office beast. I suspect the previous owners replaced it because they looked at the price of genuine toner cartridges and went  - £528! We'll dump it and buy a new one for that!
I got aftermarkets for £40 the set.
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I've got a Brother black and white laser and it's brilliant - I suffered inkjet woes for a few years and eventually thought, do I really need a colour printer ? no, I've had the brother ~ 10 years or so and it's only on its second toner cartridge. Wouldn't mind a colour printer though.
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pkfox wrote: Wouldn't mind a colour printer though.
I've had a Brother color printer for 7-8 years, on the second set of cartridges, and we print a fair amount. It just works. ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) inkjets.
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Believe me, I have a laser. Two, in fact.
The problem with lasers is that they don't print on discs (it's a long story, don't ask). And I'm not gonna on print on CD labels.
But at least with the lasers, I never have toner problem, even if I might only print a page once every 3 months (and yes, that is representative of my use).
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Discs? How the heck did you interface the player?[^] 
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I can't tell whether you've ever seen these or not. The printer comes with a plastic tray (hopefully this link works) that you sit the CD on, then slide into a slot in the printer.
When it works - the results are quite remarkable. I've scanned, then printed, some discs and would have a really hard time telling which is the original and which is the copy, unless you can compare both side-by-side (and even then it might fool some people).
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OriginalGriff wrote: Throw it in the [mastadon] ing recycle bin, and get a laser.
ABSOLUTELY!!!
I figure I use up half the ink in cartridges cleaning the heads. Last time I needed to replace cartridges, I bit the bullet and purchased a Brother color multi-function laser that duplexes. It's given me ZERO problems.
It cost me more than I wanted to pay, but the lack of frustration and irritation is worth it.
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