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I just looked at and article that compared functional programming with OOP. Seriously I just don't care. Right now I am working on recreating a program, with updates where the source code was lost. The last guy who got the job took three months and got no where so starting from scratch I have two weeks and two days to get this done and I had to finish my last project at the same time. The tester just passed the last project on to UAT. This is a full stack project from creating the DB to the UI so what the foreign object is functional programming? Don't tell me because I don't care. When do working programmers with short dead lines have time for fads? I really don't have time to write this but it needs to be said.
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Ygnaiih wrote: When do working programmers with short dead lines have time for fads?
It's not a fad. It's been around for a very long time, it's just that it's become more mainstream lately. Plus, other working programmers with short deadlines have time to learn; a lot of them do it in their own time because they want to be exposed to other ways of thinking, other ways of doing things. If you're not one of those developers, fine, but don't moan about how hard the world is being on you with your short deadlines. Lots of people have to work to short deadlines.
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Yes everyone has short dates, but we can complain. It makes me feel better.
Leadership equals wrecked ship.
If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone.
If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
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Interesting, I've been doing OO coding since back in the 80s on my Amstrad CPC464, I'm going to have to look into this new "functional programming" thing to see what it's all about.
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And the result is probably going to be worse than the original, because you have no time to properly design, test, or even - probably - specify the project. So a three month project that needs to be replaced gets chucked together in two weeks.
So in six months time, you'll have a hacked hack of an abortion to support: been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Time to change jobs and dump this on the poor sod who follows you.
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OriginalGriff wrote: because you have no time to properly design, test, or even - probably - specify the project
Careful you are talking about my life there. A year into the project where one of the data sources is Excel and they are still deciding on the other data sources. They were wanted delivery last month and yet they can't decide what they want delivered.
It's a good thing they pay well...
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Just be thankful you are employed.
I work 9-12 hours a day, 5/6 days a week, helping companies stay prosperous. I don't have much time to learn all this other new sh*t as well. However, you can't knock someone that has the time. Every so often I make the time so that my skill set stays as up to date as possible, but it can be challenging.
Most of this crap is a fad, and is pure shite - I agree, but sometimes, meaningful tools and functionality fall through the cracks and makes our world a better place.
modified 21-Jul-17 8:03am.
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If you've used Action, Func, LINQ or lambda expressions is C#, or function pointers in C++ (they have lambdas too now, I think?), or closures/lambda functions in Javascript, you're already doing some functional programming. 
Pretty much every modern programming language incorporates some of the concepts of FP.
Marc
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You should see your work as fad.
A piece of advice: Consider looking for other opportunities in your life, instead of being a code hamster. ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
Press F1 for help or google it.
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I have found that the best time to learn new things is when I'm unemployed.
And, yes, most new things are rubbish, so it's best to allow things to mature and settle down before investing time and energy in them.
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Thanks for sharing your feelings, but, one does have to wonder how it is you took the time to read this article and enjoy hating it ... when you say you are so very busy.
By the way, did you ever think that using Linq is FP >
In any case, hope it all works out swell for you; functional programming will be here for you to rant against anytime you need it 
«Differences between Big-Endians, who broke eggs at the larger end, and Little-Endians gave rise to six rebellions: one Emperor lost his life, another his crown. The Lilliputian religion says an egg should be broken on the convenient end, which is now interpreted by the Lilliputians as the smaller end. Big-Endians gained favor in Blefuscu.» J. Swift, 'Gulliver's Travels,' 1726CE
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Hi All,
I will be leaving the pub shortly (I hope) and am battling with Capitas Security Watchdog, a less pro outfit I have not dealt with before. Complained to the person I am in contact with at the firm, I have a feeling that heads will end on sticks. But there was a tradition of answering telephones, all the numbers I have dealt with have a robot answering them and to try to ask a quick question to a human is impossible! I am starting to feel like the lone survivor of an apocolypse, trying to get hold of a human voice! 
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What? Why are you brawling with some security gorillas?
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It's the current thing you might end up doing something security related...I have worked on air traffic control and simulators for the F-35/Carrier combo so working on a video system for motorways should less security controlled, but no....
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Ahh, ok. Without any context, your first post sounded more like you were preparing to fight your way out of a bar that's under siege by some security goons.
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Nooo, Capita was a part of the UK's goverment that had a few issues and was lumped together and privatised a PLC as that is the route to solve all problems...Oh the InThePub monicker was due to the estimed CP fellow Nagy...
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Not quite - it was formed as part of the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy and later underwent a management buyout. It has taken over many of the government IT functions as a result of outsourcing agreements. I worked for them for a shot time at the Criminal Records Agency in Liverpool.
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Ahhh, but I was not too far off with a bit o' goverment privatised then...
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Never dealt with them, but they are based in Alton and (from when I lived there many years ago) there are a lot of very dumb people in the town. Maybe related to the large number of pubs for the population size... 
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I dont really blame Capita it's just the attiutde of 'Oh Do it on line' which is fine if the online systems will let you, or your problem is addressed if it's not, you are stuffed! with these systems it is so hard to get to a human who can select the right check box and make the problem go away, the same with my Dad and the eye hospital go probing on the website and you can't make the choice needed phone a number and you are told that the mail box is full...
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I know from experience that some IVR systems are purposefully designed to send you in circles until you give up and hang up. A previous employer actually did that for phone calls coming from a client that they no longer wanted.
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glennPattonInThePubAGAIN wrote: and to try to ask a quick question to a human is impossible!
I have found that swearing up a storm when it says "or you can speak your answer" (assuming it's not just a push-the-button robot) works quite well. 
Particularly the "I'm sorry, I could not understand your answer. Transferring you to an operator."
The whole idea of a robot saying "I" is so absurd.
Marc
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Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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I always get the feeling that the system is there so people in the office just look at the phones rather than answer them... The robots I was dealing with were the push the button type, when I have to deal with a speak your answer type I will follow your advise and shame a Long Shoreman. The robot I have deal with today are pointless the numbers were awkward to find a robot to answer them is stupid...
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lol of course, we don't have that in CP yet. But just saying in general. It's sooo time saving.
As I try to figure out things on a portal, I see on the bottom right an execute is readily available to chat with a green "LED" on. And in moments I get the answer. (And they are not bots).
Thank god customer support evolved. I disliked the IVRs to the core. 
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modified 21-Jul-17 6:27am.
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Vunic wrote: And they are not bots
Are you sure?
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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