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Having fiddeled with Java (specifically JavaFX) for a few weeks, yesterday I ran into a problem that I just could not solve, regarding signaling between threads. I checked dozens of suggestions by Google that just did not pan out. So I took a deep breath, opened a Stack Overflow account and posted the question there. Horrors! A CP member asking questions on SO? Stone the heretic!
However, within an hour a *real* Java expert posted a complete mini-project showing how my problem can be solved. I was very impressed, since he obviously wrote the mini project in response to my question.
Confession: I may use SO again! I'll get my coat.
I am not wrong. I am just different!
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I use SO as well. *hides*
Real programmers use butterflies
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Your experience is not the same as mine. The responses to my questions (I've asked two) were neither useful nor polite.
I use information on SO if it comes up in search results, but I don't bother asking questions.
Software Zen: delete this;
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then vote or flag the answers. The moderators are taking care of it.
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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I found one of the moderators to be very rude. I was going to tell him what he could do to himself but refrained.
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Did you flag him?
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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No, I didn't know it was possible, and it's been far too long now.
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My first question was marked as a duplicate. It wasn't; I even linked to the original question, and explained how my situation was different. My question remained closed, and no one could provide an answer even if they wanted to.
My second question, submitted a couple of years later, was summarily deleted with no answers. I received an email stating my account was blocked for submitting useless or irrelevant questions.
Software Zen: delete this;
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It's a different crowd on there for sure. Good luck posting questions from a newly created account; if they accept it at all, your question has to be really unique, and the moderators have to feel like it's relevant.
I suppose that's why "copy and paste from SO" has become a meme - because they've put so much work into it, it's easy to find answers. But it's a terrible site to post your own questions if you're just getting started (and they're not exactly going out of their way to help along the noobs - I just don't bother anymore).
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dandy72 wrote: Good luck posting questions from a newly created account; if they accept it at all, your question has to be really unique, and the moderators have to feel like it's relevant. It's unbelievably ironic that's their value metric for questions. It's the exact opposite of what a site should look for if they're wanting to help people solve problems.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Not to come to their defense, but I see where they're coming from. There would be a lot more noise if their forums were a complete free-for-all. By being heavily moderated, the noise is cut down and it's a lot easier to find answers. But again, at the cost of making it difficult to ask a question. And I don't think they really care about trying to find the right balance.
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Their moderation has become entrenched with the overweaning goal of filtering out all but the most interesting, most appropriate, most elite questions. It's a badge of honor to reject as many questions as possible. The intent appears to be that you the questioner should feel honored that they considered your question at all, much less answered it.
that, and them. I'll use an answer if it comes up as a search result. I don't actively use the site.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Agreed completely - I'll go there if this is where search results point me to, but I'm otherwise absolutely uninterested in participating in that community. If that's their goal, then mission accomplished.
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a lot of questions are already answered. It is better to google for it. I gives me good results on ios.
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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In case it wasn't clear, I search with Google - and it's likely to bring back results from SO. I never proactively go to SO and start searching from there.
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I once answered a question on SO, just once...
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I do have SO account - tried to answer questions, but found the air too acidic...
My question is why not to ask here?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Quote: My question is why not to ask here? Because the question was about Java. Do we even have a Java area?
I am not wrong. I am just different!
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Java Discussion Boards[^]
Or QA...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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There's no such thing as a contract stating that you have to stay with CP, you're free to go where you want.
I generally use google, there's almost always someone that already had the same problem as me. And often enough I end up finding a solution at SO.
Cp-Coder wrote: Horrors! A CP member asking questions on SO? Stone the heretic!
If that's how you feel, or believe we feel, why do you tell us?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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Come now! The whole entry was written tongue-in-cheek!
I am not wrong. I am just different!
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I don't think SO has a Lounge like this, where you can officially rant.
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SO has a lot of chat rooms, and I mean a lot. I believe there is at least one for general chit and/or chat, but I don't use them so not sure exactly.
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SO is great if you take the time to word your question correctly, post a poor question and the experience is not so fun.
Having said that, post a poor question on CP and you will most likely get shot down too.
Stupidity brings out the worst in us programmer types.
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I think SO is a lot pickier than most other programming sites because they're focused on a long term goal of building a Googlable knowledge base rather than primarily helping people asking questions; and have tuned their moderation cleanup loop towards nuking anything that doesn't fit the former goal asap. I've used it successfully a lot in the past; although between being less experienced as a web dev now than a winform dev years ago and SO having so many more questions answered I very rarely need to ask anything new these days.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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