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Being the kind of person who enjoys a good debate, I miss what the SoapBox was at its best. At its worst, it was just as bad as the sewers you find on other sites that shall remain nameless. I sympathise with the site operators' decision not to have an open sewer on their site.
Maintaining civility in the SoapBox would have required a strong moderator empowered to remove posts (and members) for unnecessary roughness, a cure worse IMO than the disease.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I would have at least made it an AI project: content classification. You have a huge training and testing sample set. Part of the classification was done for you (votes). Might have made a great stand-out article. Sponsors. Oh well.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Perhaps Chris still has the SoapBox stored on an isolated machine in the basement (next to the caustic cleaning materials ). You can ask...
I doubt upvotes would help much in content classification. Some of the most vitriolic statements received upvote in admiration for the way the vitriol was employed. This did not mean that they were "nice" statements.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I don't know CP's "internals", but if a vote can be tied back to a "voter", that says a lot.
For instance, there are some places I will never be visiting again based on the "vote".
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Given that you can see the posts that you upvoted (in your reputation history), it is obvious that the site admins can do the same. I agree that opening this ability to the general public would be a serious breach of privacy.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Try https://www.ars-technica.com/[^]. It has a forum with few holds barred.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Yeah No
I like the idea of the freedom.
No Kid Sister a to worry about.
I only went there occasionally to read some crude jokes and have a laugh and enjoy them.
But it was a toxic place and the toxicity started to trickle out of there and project through to my favourite place on the internet.
That place is here in the lounge.
There is no place like the lounge.
Anywhere.
So best that it be gone.
Don't want to ruin or mess with the lounge.
I like that here I get to hear the valuable opinions and advice from people that I would probably hate in real life.
I don't want to give that up.
It is a freedom that I won't give up.
FES I still miss Dalek Dave and he was toxic but never threatened the lounge.
He just faded away. It was his choice. I didn't ever like him but I loved his posts.
Some people here though disappeared because of the soapbox as it started to be a bit of a bullybox.
I think that the community here is better off without it.
Still miss it a bit though.
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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the Soapbox was essential if you needed to know which CP members were racist sacks of garbage.
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this post illustrates the double standard. Making derogatory comments about site members and nothing happening to OP.
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You have the same tools as the rest.
Report it (I did)
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about which CP members did i make derogatory comments ?
be specific.
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the sacks of garbage of course
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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and it wold be wrong to call them that.
i'm so ashamed.
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This is not an example of a double standard.
That was a general statement, nothing aimed at anyone in particular, and not a personal attack. That's what was happening in the soapbox, and is one of the reasons it's gone.
Here, I'll make a "derogatory comment about site members" similar to the OP's: Some people suck.
Do you see a double standard here, and a reason "something should happen" to me for making such an assertion?
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And this is one of the comment type that I was telling in my previous post.
Sorry, but totally out of place.
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lol what?
You are cleverly not adressing anyone in your comment, but this is exactly what I meant, a post with the only purpose to provoque people and the kind of post that would start the degeneration of a thread that has been relative neutral.
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Nelek wrote: You are cleverly not adressing anyone in your comment,
why should i be "addressing" anyone? i'm replying to you.
Nelek wrote: a thread that has been relative neutral
what on earth are you talking about?
it seems pretty unanimous that people regard the SB as "a sewer", "toxic", "poisonouse" (your own word), "crude". people here are described as "people that I would probably hate in real life"
and you're upset because i pointed out that it was full of racism ? in addition to everything above, it was full of racism. and that's a big reason why i stopped going there, long before Chris pulled the plug on it.
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Chris Losinger wrote: why should i be "addressing" anyone? i'm replying to you. I meant in the original message, not the "lol" you answered me.
Chris Losinger wrote: and you're upset because i pointed out that it was full of racism That's the difference, we were mostly speaking about a place or the messages. Should you have said it like this the first time... I would have told you nothing.
And I am not upset, I just didn't like your comment:
Chris Losinger wrote: which CP members were racist sacks of garbage. You took the personal way directly insulting some people. There is a subtile difference between both approaches.
This is exactly the way to start a "fight" which was my point the whole time.
We could continue like this for long time, but I am not going to do it.
If you want to see the difference I tried to point you, perfect. If not... well, then don't.
I just don't want to get into the loop. So... Have a nice time
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modified 8-Nov-20 12:49pm.
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Nelek wrote: You took the personal way directly insulting some people.
name them.
name the people i "directly insulted"
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Quote: We could continue like this for long time, but I am not going to do it.
If you want to see the difference I tried to point you, perfect. If not... well, then don't.
I just don't want to get into the loop. So... Have a nice time Have a nice time
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Nelek wrote: You took the personal way directly insulting some people.
Bullshit. Name one person he personally insulted.
Nelek wrote: This is exactly the way to start a "fight" which was my point the whole time.
And your attitude expressed in this comment is EXACTLY why the SB needed to be closed. A few people in it took umbrage at other people's comments even when there wasn't anything to be mad about. Then the trolling began, and it was no longer fun to read for anyone except the trolls.
Have a good night!
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David O'Neil wrote:
Have a good night! Thank you, you too
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Hi again developers
I study my first semester of computer science, and I like programming and computers but I feel like evrything is going too fast. We are jumping from one subject to another and we learn everything at once. We started to learn java in september and now we are jumping into PHP and databases, Swing, JavaFX, UML and professional software enginnering arcituctures, algorithms and propositional logic. I hardly managed to learn basic Java concepts and practice them and I already have to build Java Swing applications, manage databases and know common algorithms and on top of that train up my propositional logic-skills.
I simple don't have time for that even if I would like to. I watch the lectures online (Because of COVID-19 we have online classes), but I don't learn anything from them that is requiered to pass the exams. If you want to pass the exams the school books and lectures aren't enough. You have to learn from other sources. After reading 1000 pages of a book I realize that I only learn a tiny bit of what I have to know to survive. I feel like I only study, from morning to evening but yet don't manage to learn what I have to know in order to pass exams. And now I wonder... Is Computer Science only meant for people who are already programmers and who know everything about computers, or maybe I have severe ADHD?
Because I can't focus on so many tasks and subjects at once. It takes much effort for me to focus on one thing and then I have to jump to another and another... When I focus on one subject and one thing, I usually do well, and I pass my exams, but if I have to do many tasks, study for many exams I can't do it... If I would teach myself programming at home I could go up to this level and I think I could do well, because I really have intrest and motivation, but because of my CS I don't really want to do it anymore. I wonder how people who never wrote any code in their life manage to pass these exams.
I feel like people who didn't have any prior knowledge about programming when they started these courses do better than me. I don't know if it make sense to continue, becase my loan is geting higher and higher and I'm... getting dumber and dumber haha
modified 3-Jun-21 21:01pm.
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