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A max int has been 2,147,483,647 since BEFORE dominion wrote their software. There are significantly fewer than 2 billion voters in the entire U.S.. There is *no excuse* for using a floating point value.
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Did Marc forget the joke icon?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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It may have depended on the outcome the developer wanted - a disputable result!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
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Errors can at times be the hardest thing to get right. Any fool can insert a bug accidentally.
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I wonder if the code was originally designed for a different purpose and was "re-used" in the voting machines.
Several layers of wrongness here.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
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The developers didn't have enough fingers and toes so...
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
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I think the developers have entirely too many fingers ...
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You're probably right
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
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Hasn't this been a problem for quite a few years?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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Yes. Dominion's software has been a problem since before 2012.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Not at all. All you have to do is a simple google search.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: Not at all. All you have to do is a simple google search. Yeh, I already did that and all I saw was reports that Trump was claiming this had cost him the election and whole bunch of news sites saying "No, not true". Which is why I posted "Fake news?"
I'm guessing you got the information from somewhere. Why not let us have the link to that.
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Not sure how accurate a source the New York times is, but it looks like it is indeed a fake news[^].
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Why would anyone release a contact tracing app that goes to sleep in the background?
Only in Alberta, Canada you say?
Pity.
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That's OK.
The UK one used an Excel spreadsheet to record positive test results ... an XLS file ... with a max of 64K rows ...
£35M that cost, apparently.
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The world runs on Excel spreadsheets.
No matter how complicated, finely crafted, or expensive the system is that's put in place, someone, somewhere falls back to managing it all on a spreadsheet.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Guilty!
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I have read on occasion that here in America, both Democrat and Republican campaign strategists do most of their number crunching using spreadsheets. So yes, I agree completely with what you posted.
In fact, most people I know that crunch numbers for a living use spreadsheets extensively.
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I do as well - they are powerful and really flexible.
But ... once the data goes over a couple hundred rows, I move it to a DB and a C# app.
65K rows? Not nice, not at all.
Mind you, I used to work for someone who did all his stores, manufacturing, accounts, personnel - the whole damn company in fact - on a single sheet spreadsheet. It took about 20 minutes to load, and when it recalculated prices you went for a coffee. Worked for years though!
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OriginalGriff wrote: 65K rows? Not nice, not at all.
agreed.
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I once wrote a cost analysis system for Hyundai that took 90 minutes to recalculate. I was disgusted with it as it only got within 1m of reality, the boss was ecstatic, he could only get within 10m using his system.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
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I don't think we know that for a fact - the press widely reported something along those lines, but...
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#realJSOP wrote: What retard decided that storing vote counts as floating point numbers was a "good idea"?
The programmers responsible should be hanged, drawn, and quartered for their efforts, and especially for their "design". However, the accuracy problems are mitigated by the following:
- Assuming only one voting machine per precinct, the number of voters would have to pass 2^24 (16,777,216) before problems would start. Most (all?) precincts in the US aren't that large.
- Given (1), When calculating the results of local elections, or elections to the House of Representatives, the results will be accurate.
- The population of California, the largest State, may be represented using 26 bits, i.e. the result will be inaccurate in the last 2 bits. Given that there are ~50 counties, the chance that a vote will be lost at the county level is small (a candidate would have to get more than 2^24 votes, probably more than the total voter register of any single county). When summing the county totals for a State-wide vote (i.e. Gubernatorial, Federal Senate, or Presidential elections), it is possible that a candidate would lose (or gain) a few votes due to round-off. Assuming no State-wide election is decided by less than ~200 votes, any errors are immaterial.
#realJSOP wrote: Even more importantly, why would anyone use software that was demonstrably accuracy-challenged and so easily corrupted?
Isn't what's good enough for Tilt Cove, Newfoundland good enough for the entire USA?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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