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Hey everyone,
I've been diving into C# .NET recently and I couldn't help but notice some similarities with C programming. I'm curious about how much C programming principles influence C# .NET and how understanding C might help in mastering C#.
Key Points of Discussion:
Syntax and Basic Constructs:
C# shares many basic syntax elements with C, such as data types (int, char, float), control structures (if, for, while), and operators (+, -, *, /). How much does familiarity with these elements in C help when learning C#?
Memory Management:
C provides manual memory management using malloc and free, whereas C# handles memory through garbage collection. How does this difference impact the way we write and optimize code in C# compared to C?
Pointers and References:
While C heavily relies on pointers, C# abstracts memory management but still allows the use of pointers in an unsafe context. How relevant are C pointers when dealing with C# programming, especially in performance-critical applications?
Object-Oriented Programming:
C# is inherently object-oriented, unlike C. For those coming from a C background, how challenging is it to grasp the object-oriented concepts in C#? How can C principles aid in understanding these concepts?
Platform Independence:
C# through .NET Core aims to be platform-independent, much like C programs can be compiled on various platforms. What are the key differences in achieving platform independence between the two languages?
Use Cases and Applications:
C is often used for system-level programming and embedded systems, while C# is popular for web applications, desktop applications, and game development using Unity. How do these different use cases affect the choice of language and the transition from C to C#?
Your Experiences and Insights:
I’d love to hear from those of you who have experience in both C and C#. How did your knowledge of C help (or not help) you when learning C#? Are there specific areas where you felt a strong correlation or significant differences? Any tips for someone coming from a C background and looking to excel in C# .NET?
Looking forward to an engaging discussion!
Cheers,
Tejaswini
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...this feels like a test. Are you trying to get us to do your homework?
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Perhaps surprisingly, C# and C share very little, other than some superficial similarities in syntax - and it's not until you understand both languages pretty well that you can appreciate (or even notice!) many of them!
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C# is part of the C like programming language family. (like C++, rust, ...)
They all share some syntactic similarities, but they quickly diverge into their own specific language.
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My opinion is that if you learn any programming language at all then you have learned 50% of all of them, arbitrary percentages notwithstanding. It's more "true" if we subdivide into things like functional vs OOP languages.
A loop is a loop, the core of just about every data structure tend be an array, a hashmap is a hashmap, race conditions, resource contention, thread safety, cyclomatic complexity, atomicity... All these concepts and a great many more are going to exist no matter what language you are working in.
This is part of the argument I think I have read before which posits that multilingual people tend to pick up programming a bit easier and already have the neurons knocking around upstairs in much an order suitable. This makes sense because programming is just the language we use to command machines.
There are/can be vast differences and the nuances do often matter. But the concepts - those bits that help you understand what matters and what does not? These are very universal.
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Once you've learned one of the "curly brace languages", you've learned nearly all of them because you've learned the concepts behind them. All the same concepts apply to all languages. After you learn the concepts, it's just a matter of semantics in describing what you want the code to do.
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Seems like you asked ChatGPT to create questions for you to ask here nice try. NEXT !!!
Caveat Emptor.
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I don't think of them as much the same. They're both C family so the syntax is similar, but that's about where the similarities end.
The datatypes for example, appear the same but they are not. A C int is not equivalent to a C# concept of an int as C's word size is not fixed, but varies by machine. Floats and doubles are the same but that probably has as much to do with IEEE as anything.
Using pointers in C# raises the question of why not use C? More importantly, the unsafe context only works on code that is fully trusted, greatly limiting where and how it can be deployed. There's almost nothing you can do with unsafe that you can't do with the marshalling infrastructure. Finally, using pointers often harms GC performance because you have to pin memory addresses so they don't get relocated during a collection.
I don't know how hard it is to grasp OOP. I picked it up in the 1980s. It has been too long, but I don't remember it being especially difficult - particularly once you understand how C++ implements classes and that you can make virtually the same constructs in C, just more verbose.
C is cross compatible source code. C# is cross compatible binary code. C# requires a VM. C does not. C runs in far more places - places where C# will never run.
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Agree, except: C# requires a VM ... unless I misunderstood your statement
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C# requires a VM. C does not.
I wrote that. I can defend it. The CLI is a virtual machine. Its instruction set is IL. It's runtimes are the CLR.
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As OriginalGriff said the similarities between C and C# are pretty superficial. It's really just syntactical: braces for for blocks, semicolon statement separators, simple data types (int, char, float, etc.) and simple control statements (if, for, while, etc.), other things I can't think of right now.
C, C#, C++, Java, Go, Rust, Kotlin, others? All share much of this same basic syntax. It makes it somewhat simpler to learn or move between them.
My understanding is C# was Microsoft's answer to Java after losing it's court case against Oracle over the future of Java in the late 1990's.
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Has anyone noticed that when you get a vscode update, the release notes never call out the bugs that were fixed.
<snark>I bet it's because the list is so large that it would cause the release notes file to be larger than the max possible size...</snark>
<moresnark>How do they exppect us to be able to reliably develop our own buggy code if the tools they provide us are so buggy?</moresnark>
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They expect us to be dazzled by the list of wonderful enhancements.
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The latest whiz-bang is "text to speech".
Speak this MS - "I don't give a f*ck about text to speech.".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Still better than the vast majority of "app store"-type release notes, which are invariably some variation of:
Release Notes: Bug fixes and performance improvements.
Sometimes with slightly more embellishment, but it usually translates to the same meaningless BS. 
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- Homer
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Or so short, because they didn't fix a damn thing.
If you can't find time to do it right the first time, how are you going to find time to do it again?
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Microsoft fix bugs? 
When did they start doing that?
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OriginalGriff wrote: Microsoft fix bugs?
No need when you can just enhance over them.
User: "Microsoft, have you fixed the xyz bug?"
MS: "Did you see the list of 300 enhancements including new fonts and icons?"
User: "Oh, look at all the shiny."
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Misc bugfixes... 
You can always check the list of issues closed for that release on GitHub 
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I tried VSCode and never found it a good solution for my needs. As a pure editor it's worse than VisualStudio + VisualAssistX, for C# or Windows C/C++ code it's worse...
I found it acceptable for Python but I wrote 100 lines of Python in my whole life so take it with a deposit of salt.
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I've never felt the need to use VS Code rather than Visual Studio.
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We have to because we're coding in javascript/react...
I really enjoy it when the vscode debugger randomly creates a breakpoint in one of the bundle files or randomly deletes a breakpoint on its own, or when you paste code into a file, it automatically scrolls you to the bottom of that file (a true pain when that file is thousands of lines long, or when code thinks there's an error when it obviously isn't but the crappy intellisense simply hasn't caught up with your typing...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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All I can say about VS Code is that when it was first introduced, I was rather excited to see a decent "plain" code editor from MS that could load in roughly the same amount of time as Notepad (definitely quicker than Visual Studio itself) when all I needed was to just take a quick look at some source with something that has at least a little bit of intelligence (enough to understand the syntax).
Then they quickly proceeded to throw in everything but the kitchen sink, and it rapidly lost the ability to load quickly. It's still quicker than the full-blown Visual Studio, but it's now slow enough I can't say it serves that purpose anymore...
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👋 all
Do you find yourself in a PR battle where you discuss if you should use const or const ref, or otherwise discuss why you use using to reduce the name of certain types, I can get so frustrated sometimes when I develop a feature or new code, I have it tested and all work and then you have this colleague who wants everything to be how he or she is seeing it and in the end it doesn’t matter as you spent more time discussing or changing it for their joy, code wise it would end up as the same code for the compiler.
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dbstudio wrote: the same code for the compiler
The best possible code review result. No reason to worry.
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