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BillWoodruff wrote: We show that these systems are likely to behave in anti-social and harmful ways unless they are very carefully designed.
And exactly how does this differ from human beings?
BillWoodruff wrote: Designers will be motivated to create systems that act approximately rationally and rational systems exhibit universal drives towards self-protection, resource acquisition, replication and efficiency. The current computing infrastructure would be vulnerable to unconstrained systems with these drives”
And exactly how does this differ from our current socio-political and education systems?
BillWoodruff wrote: the net effect of all these drives is likely to be quite negative if they are not
Well, duh. He just described the problem with humanity, and now he expects us to know how to fix it for robots? That's ironic.
BillWoodruff wrote: The rational chess robot with the simple utility function described above would behave like a paranoid human sociopath fixated on chess.
Sounds like a description of many of the chess masters.
Marc
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Hi Marc, evidently my statement "imho, over-the-top thesis" was not enough of a disclaimer for you I view the author's logic as quite dubious ... but, the article, overall, I find interesting, provocative.
I do think that in response to the Omohundro's statment: "We show that these systems are likely to behave in anti-social and harmful ways unless they are very carefully designed."
Your question: "And exactly how does this differ from human beings?" is a very critical one to ask !
Personally, I do not believe human beings are "designed," I believe they are the result of evolution, and, as Stephen Jay Gould spent a professional lifetime pointing out, evolution does not embody "design:" it is just as likely to develop semi-functional "ornamental" elaborations that, in the future, become impediments to reproductive success, or, on the other hand, may be wildly successful given future environmental change.
It is interesting to speculate that in the future "evolutionary" genetic algorithms will be used by autonomous machine entities to design and manufacture their own successors, and I think science-fiction writers have explored the possibilities in that fully. And, it's a reality in many research labs.
If you accept Gould's hypothesis (as I do), that the human primate is really quite unique ... way out on the far-edge of the bell-curve of over-specialized organisms ... and, potentially, genetically "fragile" compared to the more modal forms of life (such as archaeobacteria), then, I think it's interesting to think about whether optimal robot design should be "like us" at all. More likely, imho, they will appear to be like us because of our primal fears of weird-things that seem to exhibit purposive behavior, or, like us because the human world has designed an environment optimized for certain form-factors.
If you assume "human nature" has a proclivity to create both gods and demons, and simulacra-dummies, sacred icons, and sex-dolls, then, of course, you can expect technological religions, and the widespread use of robots in human sexual activity. Jude Law as "Gigolo Joe" in Kubrick's A.I. comes to mind, and, of course, Blade Runner's Rachel (Sean Young). Yesterday's dreams on the big-screen: tomorrow's home-appliances, and rentals-by-the-hour ?
Cyber-religions ? Happening now: Terasem Faith: [^]. The followers of Terasem could be said to want to achieve immortality by transferring their consciousness into computers/machinery. To become a form of robot ?
“I speak in a poem of the ancient food of heroes: humiliation, unhappiness, discord. Those things are given to us to transform, so that we may make from the miserable circumstances of our lives things that are eternal, or aspire to be so.” Jorge Luis Borges
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...but writing the code tired me out too much to write the article now as well. And it's only a wee little class, but for once I did proper unit testing. Very thorough in fact for the little the class does, but it pretty much got me going with TDD again, which is a good thing. Something besides WPF, MVVM, Prism, and C# I can mentor the team at work in. Phew. Glad I'm off work four days for the Easter weekend now, including today. It's my first WPF, MVVM and Prism project, so it's sometimes been tough going.
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Brady Kelly wrote: It's my first WPF, MVVM and Prism project, so it's sometimes been tough going.
I keep meaning to try doing some WPF as I've never done it before. Every time I start though I can't really seem to find an explanation of which is the "official" design pattern. Should I use MVC, MVP, MVVM?
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Plain WPF is the only "official" design pattern, but MVP and MVVM are very popular. I quite like MVVM a lot myself, but it lacks central control, unless you use your main shell view as the boss. I rather use a singleton Application model, so no view has to always be open, but it differs from a controller in that it's more of a foundation than a switch. If you use a framework like Prism, some of its objects, like the Region Manager, can play some controller role. Otherwise it can be uncontrolled, with one view opening another and closing itself, with the program flow. That fits more with the View First approach, where opening a view is the starting point, then it creates its view model, which invokes any models it may in turn need.
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Shouldn't you be in Magaliesburg or Nelspruit?
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I'm dead broke. I barely have money for the three days train fair I need for work next week before payday. I was at a trance party near Magaliesberg two weekends ago. Nice break.
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Sorry to hear that. May be you can have some good time at Arts on Main on Sunday.
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I guess you do know what happens there every Sunday. I am in India since December now so not really sure if htey have anything special. But that place has always been special to me. That Argentinian guy with special vegetarian sandwich, just for me and then Ethiopian coffee.
Most important, Jo'burg's mini breweries and all them awesome beers. I love that place.
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I'm a bit out of touch, have been for a while. No further than the corner pub on nearly all Sundays for the last two years or so.
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If you seem so out of touch, I would recommend Greenside. Nice little shabeem and then Jolly Rogers for drought Stella and a nice little pizza.
For Arts on Main, same old same old. Some local beers, salsa music from that Midrand guy and good food from lots of countries. Plus it really does comes with a mixed crowd with no inhibitions.
Sorry to say but SA is still divided as far as outsider view is concerned. Coming from India I sometimes find it difficult to gel in to otherwise extremely friendly and awesome nation.
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I'm going to meet with a vitamin company today that wants to sponsor my sister and I as an athlete team.
It's nothing big as far as sponsor and sports go, but it sure seems fantastic to me! I'm so excited. I meet them after work today.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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All the Very best Loctrice!!!!
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Maybe you should tweet about it.
Seriously, sponsors want ads, so the more followers you tell about your product the more you will get from other products.
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I'm not on social media at the moment. If they sponsor me, then I will create an athlete account on facebook, and possibly start twitter.
The only social network I'm on right now is bodybuilding.com
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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Just remember, sponsorship isn't altruistic. Practice saying, "I would like to thank Vitamin A for my win, without Vitamin A I couldn't have done it" and then drink the vitamin A water with label towards the camera.
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So will you be doing those telemarketing advertisements now?
Congratulations and all the best!
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My sister and I do grappling (BJJ) tournaments and local obstacle courses like the spartan race, and tough mudders.
I do MMA (cage) fighting, but my sister doesn't (yet).
Pretty much local amateur sporting events.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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If you get real good, a local hospital may sponsor you. Send your victims opponents to
Hogan
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If I ask, it's OK to say who the sponsor is? I suppose we'll will have to wait until the sponsorship is in place.
Good luck then!
I saw a format you can use, Get pumped![^]
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Yeah, I'll make a post if I get it and say who it is. Until I'm for sure, I should probly wait.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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Good call. Don't want to do anything to risk annoying them unnecessarily.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Congrats
Along with Antimatter and Dark Matter they've discovered the existence of Doesn't Matter which appears to have no effect on the universe whatsoever!
Rich Tennant 5th Wave
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