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den2k88 wrote: customers give strict but poorly worded requirements and then ... won't let you talk to the actual user. I've had numerous cases where I was explicitly disallowed from talking to the people requesting a feature and it was clear the business contact was an MBA drone.
Software Zen: delete this;
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This. The times I could cut the middleman has been the best - usually happens in the vicinity of holidays, since managers go in vacation and leave the actual engineers alone to hold the fort.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Thanks for confirming that I have been doing it right all these years.
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Quote: We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing. ~ Konstantin Josef Jireček - Clickety[^]
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That's an old Marine Corps saying.
If I remember it was on a sign as you were coming into Da Nang.
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I suspect they stole it - possibly from Genghis Khan's troops.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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... who stole it from Ceasar's legions, who stole it from the Etruscans, who stole it from the Greeks, who stole it from the Trojans...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Me Ogg. Me said first.
Software Zen: delete this;
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"You're an Engineer, Harry!"
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Heard during my college day:
Engineer is one who rides an engine.
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A bumper sticker an mechanical engineer college student had:
"A some point in every project, you have to shoot the engineer and start production."
Bond
Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere
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Mike Hankey wrote: Someone who does precision guesswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge
... to create systems that work in unreliable environments designed and install by sadistic idiots.
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
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Engineer's Lament
I'm not allowed to run the train
The whistle I can't blow…
I'm not allowed to say how far
The railroad cars can go.
I'm not allowed to shoot off steam,
Nor even clang the bell…
But let the damn train jump the track
And see who catches Hell!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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sounds like a country western song.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Train Drivers aren't Engineers. They're train drivers.
Motor mechanics aren't engineers either. Nor are washing machine repairmen. Nor brick-layers or carpenters. Nor are code-jockeys.
All skilled jobs, but not Engineers.
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haughtonomous wrote: Train Drivers aren't Engineers. They're train drivers.
The name for a train driver in the 19th century was "engineer", because he controlled the engine. The meaning of the word has drifted a bit since that ditty was written.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Mike Hankey wrote: See also Wizard, Magician
For outsiders, it often is.
Now, for my next trick I need a volunteer.
Anyone?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I resemble that remark!
One of my favorite shirts has on the front, "Engineering: Solving Problems You Didn't Know You Had In Ways You Can't Understand."
Most people have never seen it, since the vast majority have so short an attention span that they won't read anything longer than 4 (short) words.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Roger Wright wrote: "Engineering: Solving Problems You Didn't Know You Had In Ways You Can't Understand."
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There are many fields of medicine such as dentistry where engineering a big part of the job.
They build bridges, too.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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A scientist, without an engineer, is just an artist... scrabbling on paper.
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Scrabbling? Nice image.
Scientists provide the knowledge and understanding that enables engineers to create practical things. Without scientists engineers wouldn't exist.
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I disagree. You ignore the part that theoreticians have to play in fields such as physics.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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So how does that make my statement invalid? It's still just something on a piece of paper.
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Because an artist's scribbles have no requirement other than satisfying the "artistic sense" (whatever that is) of the artist.
A scientific theory, OTOH, must satisfy constraints such as non-contradiction of known facts, self-consistency, and quite a few others.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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