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Ouch! Of course, my pity is abated somewhat by it being 120°+ here this week. Still, standing in front of a casino Thursday in this heat, watching fireworks over the Colorado River, is something I'd rather be doing than trimming a giant oak tree, in any temperature! Go slow, and take frequent breaks, Mike!
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Hydrate, Hydrate, Hydrate...
I remember growing up in Phoenix, there was a week where it was 120+ and all we had was a swamp cooler.
It was hot, damn hot.
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The real question is "did it make a sound when it fell?"
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maybe it barked ?
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And it's risen by 30% this year - an extra £60!
So I look around to find out why and it turns out that's not bad - the average rise in the UK this year is 43%. Bloody glad I'm not still 17 ... they pay an average of £3,145 
I'm still going to shop around, but ... looks like it might be not too bad a price after all. 
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Mine went up 60%.
Getting where I almost can't afford to drive, or eat or ...
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Yeah - I guess the increase in value due to the cost of EVs has helped push the cost up generally, even if you don't drive an EV (because I can't charge one anywhere near home).
I just tried a couple of the "insurance comparison" sites, and they couldn't get below the renewal price - the closest was £30 more!
I'm really, really glad I'm not 17 any more ... 
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OriginalGriff wrote: I'm really, really glad I'm not 17 any more ...
I hear ya
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Mine went up 40% about 5 months ago, and that's the average increase.
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The old car we just kept about the same, I think an extra £10, but it is terrible.
Looking forward to the main car in the Autumn, I'm expecting an extra £200 at least.
veni bibi saltavi
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I had the same issue. I looked around and got it for less than I paid last year.
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I just glad my car is a (relatively) low insurance group: 15E
For a laugh, I checked the group for Teslas - they start at 36 and go up to 50! Try buying an EV when you are 17 ...
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I have an eighteen year old Toyota so it's group 13.
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18 years ago I paid a bit under $1500/yr for my car insurance.
Today it's a bit under $1400/yr. It's the same car. It's 18 years old and now practically worthless. Never claimed anything.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Bloody glad I'm not still 17
May I disagree? I'd rather be 17. Better yet: 30... insurance cost and everything 
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: I'd rather be 17. Better yet: 30
I would go for the mid 20ies... but knowing what I know now. Where do I sign?
M.D.V. 
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Nelek wrote: but knowing what I know now
And missing the chance to do all the stupid things I did when I was young? What would be the fun? 
Mircea
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OriginalGriff wrote: . Bloody glad I'm not still 17
You obviously don't have kids...
Graeme
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It's tough for the young'uns. Somewhere something went terribly wrong.
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That's not bad Paul
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I'm fairly old and I have a lot of no claims bonus!
Plus I drive a "sensible car" (Merc B-Class diesel) rather than a pocket rocket.
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Most people where I live have sold their diesel cars because of ULEZ
I have a 2.0 litre Honda CRV petrol and my premium for fully comprehensive is £394.54 thats with max NCD
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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We're just outside, but have to regularly go in, and our car wasn't compliant, but we were fortunate and able to afford to upgrade; not everyone was so lucky. Some of my friends have "modern classics" which they can't really afford to use regularly now.
Another one of my friends lives in the ULEZ. Paradoxically, his recent diesel is compliant, his wife's older petrol car wasn't.
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I just got my notice yesterday (Virginia, USA). It went up at least 50% since last year.
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interestingly, my son graduated from college last year. about 6 months ago he bought his first car with his own money. Insurance for said car was quite a bit more than he was ready for. He could afford it but after a couple months it went up again. So he started shopping around and suddenly it went back down to lower than before. Insurance is just weird. DW and I pay about 1/3 what he pays
He is a good driver with a clean record and the car is just a 4 door VW Jetta. nothing fancy.
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