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My main mode of wheeled transportation involves a vehicle built and sold by Hyundai. I therefore subscribe to their "MyHyundai" service which allows me remote access to functions of the car from the comfort of my Android phone.
I pay about US$199 per year for that.
Now the app is telling me that I can't use it because I must first upgrade to the latest version of the app.
But the Google Play store tells me that the latest version of the app is not compatible with my phone. So I either upgrade my phone or I can't use the MyHyundai service at all.
This must be the kind of problem that you get when an application is created by code monkeys.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: created by code monkeys
That would be an improvement.
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Can you use MyHyundai services through a web site?
/ravi
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Well golly! I didn't think of that. They do have a website. I'll have to go there sometime soon and see.
The difficult we do right away...
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Or designed by the sales team.
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Mike Hankey wrote: Or designed by the sales team.
But still implemented by monkeys! 
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Agreed
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At least MyHyundai is not essential, we recently got a notice that our bank no longer supports our current android version and Google play said the latest version was not compatible with our phones. Then the network provider decided to discontinue 3g. And I was becoming pissed off with Samsung so new phones all round in our household.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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It could be considered essential.
One of the things I use it for is to lock the car remotely after it's been serviced because the technicians always park finished cars in their lots without locking them.
So I can make sure it's locked during that window of time of after it's finished and before I show up to get it.
The difficult we do right away...
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I've been steeped in Microsoft development since my first PC in the late 1980's. And I have not investigated Apple since the Apple ][e came out.
How does Apple spying compare to Microsoft spying? (More, less or the same?)
I'm trying to establish whether my Sister will gain any privacy by switching to a Mac.
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modified 4hrs 5mins ago.
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I'm not a Mac user (although I own a Gen 5 circa 2010 iPod Nano that I like very much because it offers gapless playback) but it seems you can use a Mac without having to tie it to an Apple ID. But by doing that you won't be able to:
- download apps from the Mac App Store
- use iCloud services (like iCloud Drive, iCloud Photos, etc.)
- sync data across Apple devices
- use Apple Music or access your previous iTunes purchases
- use services like FaceTime, iMessage, or Apple Books
- get software updates through the App Store (you can still get macOS updates through System Preferences
If you're a dev, I expect you'll need an Apple ID in order to use Xcode but am not sure.
/ravi
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Is it possible to purchase Mac application software from third parties?
Don't tell me that the only place to get applications is from the Apple app store?
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I doubt it. Methinks one would be forced to buy them from the App Store.
So unlike the MS Windows ecosystem where there are large numbers of freeware, freemium and commercial apps that don't require you to buy them from the Microsoft Store.
/ravi
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Now, if any of you know me here, there is one issue that just burns me. Microsoft forced updates rebooting **** for seriously stupid reasons. I think that decision deserves a baseball bat to the knees of the person who made that decision. But wait, maybe it was made by committee. Fine, more baseball bats and I'll start a lottery of who wants to whack a knee.
Why do I bring this up now? Well, I'm trying to stage a virtual machine for my customer before I disappear into the retirement cloud. I'm clicking on Windows Update. It will not install. It won't download. I've been at this for 4 hours. Grrrr.
Elephanting clowns.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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[Some general, deep in the bowels of the Pentagon]
Nuke Redmond; It's the only way!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I wish, but the Pentagon, in an infinite amount of stupidity has pushed their stuff to the cloud being assured it was secure.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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No worries. The cloud operators were undoubtedly certified for compliance with a 1000-page manual of DoD HW, SW, and operational requirements that guarantee the security of any system.
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and there you go.
Back in the 80s, I was "involved" in the area of secure operating systems. At the time, the point behind a secure OS was user a, b, and c are authorized to access project a, b and c. There should be no way, user b should see what a is working on, etc. We're talking deep down in the kernel. There was NO network access. Period. We started having to epoxy USB slots to prevent the clowns from doing seriously stupid stuff. Fast forward to Desert Storm, and the USNAVY had to ban cellphones. The sailors were talking pictures of the sky not realizing the pictures were geocoded. Basically, if you farmed facebook, you could easily track fleet movements.
But wait, it gets better. When the US went into Afghanistan and then later Iraq, the drone footage was being streamed over an unencrypted internet connection. The bad guys were watching it faster than our operators. We figured this out when the drone would fly over a group of them, and they would scatter. The drone that crashed gently in Iran? Hacked.
Putting classified data in the cloud from the clowns from Microsoft? Just blow your brains out now.
Let me clarify, so that I don't seem too harsh as clowns seem to be multiplying. Basing ANYTHING secure on a Microsoft OS is simply doomed. The core OS is hopelessly open. Now we inject the bean counters in the DoD or any other government agency... Microsoft - and if anyone from Microsoft wants to chime in - limits it's liability to what the contract says. The problem is, your bug gets people dead right there.
If you want a secure cloud environment, design it and staff it with people who understand that this stuff is life and death. I'm certain their are people at MS or Amazon that get this, I am dubious about management.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Wow. A true story about Russians?! 
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I'm so sorry to hear of your retirement. I guess that means you won't be spending as much time around here, then 
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 not quite. but you bless me with your comment. At my retirement party with my main customer, I had many people come up to me and express their appreciation for my teaching attitude. I homeschooled 11 children, so I guess it carried over. I even had the opportunity to apologize to a co-worker when in a meeting I seriously shoved my foot in my mouth..
This will side track my rant, but I'm wrapping up one customer, and I still have one on the hook until the end of the year. Been working on this retirement project a couple of years. What blindsided me was my wife indicating she was about done as well and in-laws in their late 80s. So, after my 3 month sabbatical and marrying off my last daughter, I suspect I'll be back in the ring.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: Been working on this retirement project a couple of years.
Do you mean you're making a big push at the end to maximize earnings?
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No. Sort of... I sort of blundered into this retirement thing. I just turned 65, and over the last couple of years I've had some health issues. It makes you re-evaluate your priorities. I'm not dead yet  . Going to work up an article on this - my first ever.
As for your specific question - the time to push is not at the end. Unless you have royalties or some such thing.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Possibly from the past though.
I posted on Thursday about the Royal Mail and it's tracking systems, but I've just had an SMS from the company that sent the delivery that arrived on Thursday to say they just sent it ... so either it's going to willan-have been on-delivered before it willan-dispatch was on-sent, or I'm getting at least one more to be delivered at some unknown point in myfuture mynow.
I hate time machines.
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