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dandy72 wrote: OriginalGriff wrote: There is nothing left to learn the hard way. I don't know about you, but I'm totally bucking that trend. Yup! We are never too old to do something stupid!
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BryanFazekas wrote: We are never too old to do something stupid! That described my first couple of years programming in C#/.NET. After a long history of writing C++/MFC apps it was tough. I was either re-inventing the wheel (there is a prodigious amount of stuff in .NET, even in the 3.5 days), or I was trying to use C++/MFC best practices in C#/.NET/WPF. Ironically, those 'best practices' eventually caused me to buy a .NET memory profiler, stop development for about three months, and rework a metric crap-ton of code.
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As an old timer (64), I know that experience provides the ability to spot a mistake when you make it, again.
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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The birthday card I got my friend a few weeks back summed that up perfectly:
Old Enough to Know Better
Young Enough Not To Care
Stupid Enough To Do It Anyway
🤣🤣🤣
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That would have been a great card for me this year, as I passed the 0x3C mark.
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An alternate view in places:- The things you bought 20 years ago are still working. The crap you buy today dies a week later.
- Everything you learn now seems like the hard way to accomplish something. Why can't it be simple like it used to be?
- People no longer view you as interesting in any way.
- You avoid parties because you just want to go to bed early.
- Your friends are dead.
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Not so much an alternative as Additions
Old Man Trouble
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... or the list when you're in grumpy old mode, like I was when I wrote it
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Quote: You avoid parties because you just want to go to bed early.
President Reagan said (paraphrasing from memory), "You know you're getting old when you have two ways to get into trouble, and you pick the one that gets you home before 9 o'clock."
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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I love it.
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I only need one movie.
>64
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Ever-fresh-and-sparkling OriginalGriff and this past-his-use-by-date dull-patinated antique do not see eye-to-eye here
I assert the survey suggests nothing more than a snapshot of the opinions of the few developers out of 15+ million CP members ... who chose ... had the time ... to take a survey ... in one short-timed sampling period.
"There is nothing left to learn the hard way." Try learning Angular ! Try creating a usable multi-platform app using only MS tools.
"People no longer view you as a hypochondriac." Weak hypothesis: the older programmers who responded pay less attention to what "people" think, in general. For me, I observe my full attention (on CP) is activated/aroused by content from a select group of people that includes (drum-roll): OriginalGriff.
slightly OT: imho, "selective inattention," "signal from noise filtering," is an important psychological strength for a programmer. In my odd career, I have observed this may develop in different ways for a programmer (like this one) who works from experimenting with data and prototyping towards algorithms in a "stepwise refinement" cycle ... and, the "top-down" programmer who wants schemas, Backus-Naur diagrams; who works from algorithms toward coding and prototyping.
"You can have a party and the neighbours don't even notice." Because older programmers have thicker walls ? Because your current loss of employment has caused you to move to a tenement full of drug-dealers playing hip-hop at ear-shattering levels ?
"Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either." Consider the antithesis: more at risk because they can't remember what was secret.
I like to say to my students who are so fearful of taking risks: "If you never fall, you will never know what getting-up ... is, or, understand what balance ... is" ... to those who throw code all over the place without discipline, they get a different platitude
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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There is even more!
You save time in the bathroom:
a) While having a shower your teeth are having a bath with Corega Tabs denture cleansing tablets
b) You don't have to use a hair drier
The noisy kids in your neighbourhood don't bother you anymore as you can't hear them
Spam mails you receive are different from the ones you received before.
They propose buying funeral insurances, stairlifts, hearing aids, walking frames, diapers etc.
modified 15-Sep-21 3:21am.
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Last survey week just showed a "senior weighted" group answered last survey week
To find out the true age distribution of Code Project users. We would have to carry out a survey on a random sample or carry out a census.
Sorry for my bad English
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Yeah, maybe only old people voluntarily complete weekly surveys
Nap time
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Given a random sample is unlikely, it might be of more interest to look at the demographics of those who post messages in response to a survey.
Perhaps, for that cohort, considering years on CP, as well as (if available) biological age, could be interesting.
Part of the "elephant in the room" may be that a large group of people never see the surveys because they don't visit the home page, or, see them, but, just never "do" surveys.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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I seem to remember your birthdate was an optional part of your profile at one time. It seems to have been removed, unfortunately (for this circumstance). We could have curried the member list for active members and charted their ages.
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Date of birth is a PII field under GDPR.
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I assumed it was something like that.
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now that birthdays are verboten in the net-arena, what happens if OriginalGriff's brain stops keeping track ?
I use moon-cycles now, because total-months/13+(calculatephasefactor(dob, now)) means one more b-day is a smaller slice off the cut loaf.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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I'm old and retired but I love programming enough that I regularly spend 3 or 4 hours a day coding and understand what I am doing so much more than I ever did before. I'm not available for hire though because no way will I work more than those 3 or 4 hours.
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john morrison leon wrote: I'm not available for hire though because no way will I work more than those 3 or 4 hours. That should not be a big problem. You are probably going to be more productive than some working 8-10 hours
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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