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Either free-ware or CP-ware.
In other words, maybe Chris could sell it and give us all t-shirts or something. I'm really not doing it for $$.
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*turns on his imagination*
We finish the project. It's awesome. Everyone wants it. All the CPP volunteers get free copies. CP starts selling them. Demand rises. CP has an IPO. All CPP volunteers begin collecting dividends for CP membership!
John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words
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I think this is a valid point to raise Marc. Esp since the number of egos involved. I’ve seen or read about more than one project die because of people arguing over licensing terms.
Personally I am for a no strings attached type of license and the GPL seems to require further source dissemination. I am not too sure about the restrictions of the LGPL, BSD and, Apache licenses. A quick glance via google seems to paint a good picture of the “MIT” license. Or, can we just release the project into the public domain? I’m all in favor of something like that.
Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that?
- Jack Burton
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What is the Code Project all about? Sharing code and experiences.
I think a non-free model will restrict us since these projects are for any and all CPians.
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I definitely agree. I thought it might be worth mentioning issues involved in third party libraries, but I may be jumping the gun here.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
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The subject says it all. Free ![Beer | [beer]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) on us. And have some ![Good Stuff | [The good stuff]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/vegemite.gif) too.
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BSD licence is probably the one that gives the most freedom to all of us. Anybody even mentions GPL and I'll be reaching for my gun.
Michael
'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
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I thinik it should be free, using something similar to eitther the LGPL, BSD, or even the wxWindows license (it is GPL but has an exception - the code can be used in a commercial app without distributing the source.)
If we run across any code we'd like to use that uses a more restrictive license, I say screw it, don't use that code. We'd just have to do that part over.
"When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein
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Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl or stopped altogether so we'll just say its time to chose the final three projects.
We could go just by the current voting result (see below), but I think its only fair that we re-evaluate what we would really like to do. Before doing so, I'd like to give you my opinion of what we should do and I know at least Paul and Marc will agree with me. I'm not going to endorse a particular project, but rather an ideal for our first stab at this. Its called...
KISS (keep it simple stupid)
Whatever project(s) we choose to do, it's/their scope needs to be somewhat limited (initially for release 1.0). Rome was not built in a day and CPPs are sure to fail if we try to do too much too soon. Heck, the infrastructure for large group projects isn't even in place yet. So we have a lot of thinking to do before we "dive right in."
Here is how I propose we proceed:
1) Decide on 3 projects via voting (now until Tuesday) which gives us 24+ hours
2) Pick a project leader for each project (preferrably, the originator of the idea AND someone with experience writing articles and managing a herd of cattle )
3) If you want to, we can pick a CPP coordinator who will look after these first 3 projects, but I doubt we'll need one.
4) Divide up into teams (I have an idea on how to do this but we'll discuss later). There may be lopsided teams.
5) Start an article for each project. NOT QUICKLY THOUGH! I'd like to see us decide on a standard layout and "features" in our project article. Its going to have to be different somehow than a standard article (I see tables  ).
6) Project leaders and team members will then need to define the scope and timeline for the project. A design document would be very nice. Anyone have a nice Design Doc template?
7) Here's where the fun begins. Start coding. Project leaders should be good delegators.
8) Try to stay within the scope and timeline, giving frequent updates and screen shots.
If you have any different ideas, please discuss them by replying to this message.
Below this message you will see a thread for PROJECT VOTING. Within that thread are 10 messages with the title of each project. Please give a vote for each message using the message voting system. The top 3 after Tuesday morning will be our beginning projects.
CURRENT RESULTS: (top 10 with 50 volunteers)
Score, IDEAS for CPP, (# votes)
4.4 Universal Gui LibrarY (UGLY) (30)
4.3 Application Framework (13)
4.0 ASP.NET web controls replacement library (14)
4.0 Alife/AI (13)
3.8 Defect Tracking/Source Versioning (16)
3.6 threads and multi-processors (6)
3.5 CP Community Tools (15)
3.5 online task manager (5)
3.1 Code snippet library (5)
3.1 project management system (4)
Please keep the noise level to a minimum so we don't confuse too many people with a long, convoluted thread. Also, I recommend changing your CP forum display options to 50 messages per page.
I think this is the longest message I have ever written. Probably until Tuesday anyway... 
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Please vote for each project idea and refrain from replying to the message.
Thanks.
Since I created these messages, I can't vote. 
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Just vote please. No comments.
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Just vote please. No comments.
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No comments please. Just vote.
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Again, no comments please. Just vote.
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I shouldn't have to say it again.
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Remember what I said...
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comments = no
vote = yes
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don't make me smack you! get away from that Reply link!
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I show you a snippet if you reply to this message. Don't even...
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First of all, I hope I'm not doing the wrong thing by replying here.
Second of all, here's my thoughts:
Jason Henderson wrote:
Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl or stopped altogether so we'll just say its time to chose the final three projects.
My thoughts exactly.
Jason Henderson wrote:
Universal Gui LibrarY (UGLY)
Please, not UGLY! That's the opposite of what we want! How about SUIT - SmartUI Toolkit.
Also, if we do a UI Library first, then it's easy to start out simple - do it one control at a time . We can stop any place along the way.
Jason Henderson wrote:
Divide up into teams (I have an idea on how to do this but we'll discuss later).
I have an idea too... later.
Jason Henderson wrote:
Project leaders and team members will then need to define the scope and timeline for the project. A design document would be very nice. Anyone have a nice Design Doc template?
I have some ideas and questions - where shall we discuss it?
GOOD JOB, JASON!
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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jdunlap wrote:
First of all, I hope I'm not doing the wrong thing by replying here.
No, you're fine. I just don't want submessages clogging up the voting area.
jdunlap wrote:
I have some ideas and questions - where shall we discuss it?
Right here if you like.
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jdunlap wrote:
Please, not UGLY! That's the opposite of what we want! How about SUIT - SmartUI Toolkit.
But that's the reason we like it...it's funny. 
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer.
People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage...
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