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Hmm.. While your link was more or less the same junk as other pages. A search on "waveOutOpen" and "multiple wav" produced this: http://www.pocketpcdn.com/articles/multiplewaves.html
I swear that Google is bloody brain damaged. I would have thought given the title of the article that my original search of "play wave muliple simultan" would have at least produced this in the top 30 or so links, instead I slogged through 10 or more pages of useless junk and never found it. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, even if the solution turned out to make no bloody sense from the perspective of common sense. If a card has 96 possible voices, then the API should be able to tell you that. Apparently instead it worls like this (from a brief review of the code):
Is there a output device?
Yes - Is it available?
Yes - Who cares, send the sound file anyway.
Driver/Card - Oops.. Someone needs me to play a
new sound, Voice 16 is free, lets put it there...
Apparently I am the only person that has issues with the logic of this design... lol I guess if the card runs out of available channels it comes back as "Unavailable", but otherwise continues to accept new sounds until it runs out. God forbid something crashes and doesn't release the voice being used. Though come to think of it I have seen this happen a few times and getting the damn card to shut up when it does is inconvenient at the least.
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As long as it works, why should we worry? 
Kagehi wrote:
Is there a output device?
Yes - Is it available?
Yes - Who cares, send the sound file anyway.
Driver/Card - Oops.. Someone needs me to play a
new sound, Voice 16 is free, lets put it there...
Yep, that's basically the process, as I understood it. At least, we don't have to care about the managment of the channels, even if we aren't able to predict how many are available.
A quoi rêvent les personnes qui nous font vivre ce monde ?
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Because in certain cases it doesn't. The Dink Smallwood engine for instance, at least on my computer, will if I turn on sound occasionally 'lock' one of the sound channels in an endless loop. I am not sure if this is a stability issue, do to memory issues caused by my badly in need of replacing AGP card, or some issue with the engine, but short of shutting down the game (which releases all the channels), it doesn't go away. The articles I have seen appear to indicate that you can be 'sort of' sure that a sound has at least been sent to the card, but not if it is playing or anything else useful. This means that if something locks up a sound channel, which gets stuck looping the sound and for some reason the card never gets told it is supposed to release it, then nothing short of a reboot of the machine will stop it.
This is like a lot of things with that seems to have MS' fingerprints on it. I could care less how well it works when everything goes right, I want to be able to control and correct problems when something inevitably goes wrong. In this case two things can go wrong, right of the top of my head. 1) a channel can get locked and looped, and since you can't reset the card, you have to reboot instead. 2) You can't even verify how many sounds are possible, so you are forced to either keep a list of every model of every card, so the game knows what the card can do, or design conservatively based on the bare minimum you can reasonably expect to have available. The first option is bloat that provides nothing to the game engine and the second option just flat out sucks.
It's like if they designed a new hard drive that you could continue to add more and more stuff too, but didn't let you check how much space your files had already taken up. Suddenly 'wham!' you are out of space and wondering what moron thought it was a good idea. lol
Anyway... Enough ranting. lol
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I use these methods not in a game but in a sound editor. For the moment, I never have had any problem of channel deadlocked, but I don't use the sound card as extensively as a game could do. However, I believe (just a belief, not a demonstrated fact) that if an application handles correctly sound restitution, there should be no reason to have this problem. A repetitve sound play could come either from the application sending data in a non-ending loop or from a problem directly connected to the sound card.
Excellent ranting anyway
A quoi rêvent les personnes qui nous font vivre ce monde ?
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Hi all. I am considering writing an article(s) on the NTFS and FAT file systems. No it is not a general file system theory article. I am thinking about writing something that will offer information and code for doing direct disk reads and writes with information on the file system structure for people who would like to try writing defrag programs, etc. However, before I do this, I want to make sure there is interest out there for such an article. If you would find such an article interesting please reply and let me know and if enough are interested I will create one (most likely a separate one for each FS type ie: ext2/ext3, FAT, FAT32, NTFS, UDF, CDFS, etc. )
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Interested! Please submit an article. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
/ravi
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You got my 5!
I Dream of Absolute Zero
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Just another client of yours.
I would be glad to read some good stuff about the secrets of NTFS.
Peter Molnar
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Yeah i would love to read article on NTFS, but let me clarify a bit. NTFS is not that well documented like microsoft did for fat system. Its very difficult to write 100% compatible NTFS logic.Thats what my understanding is about NTFS.
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Adam Gritt wrote:
I want to make sure there is interest out there
Yes please!
And while you are writing about ext2/ex3 - please also consider reiserFS! 
Who is 'General Failure'? And why is he reading my harddisk?!?
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Looks like there is enough interest so I will do it. Don't expect it right away, it will take me a month or so to compile all my information into one document but I will do it.
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Hi, i'm very interessed also
I would like to know the physical starting position of file on the disk and in priority for the CDFS and NTFS to make a "fast" multiple file copy function. The idea is to sort files to be copied in the physical arragement of media support.
Cheers
Patrick Bricout
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I'm looking to write some code that will convert between 3 different file formats. I'm thinking of coding something really generic such that it's easy to add new formats. However, before I do a lot of work designing and writing this, I wanted to see if anyone here knows of a design pattern or set of classes that already provides this capability.
Cheers,
Tom Archer
Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.
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Have you read 'Design Patterns' ? I would have thought any of the factory type patterns would be candidates, depending on how complex the conversion is. Obviously what you want to end up with is a format where you have a class that handles the conversions and you can just keep writing 'plug in' classes for any file formats that may come up.
Christian
I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Tom Archer wrote:
It's been a while
Well, I confess to reading it for the first time recently, half way through the section on factories when the worlds coolest ASP.NET book intervened, plus a couple of Michael Moore books distracted me. I couldn't remember names, but the two that sprung to mind were the one that someone else has suggested ( which is basically what I was first suggesting, too, a central class that operates with instances of classes that know how to read or write a specific format ), or the pattern where a more complex structure is built, so a lot of different methods are needed to build it, such as building a PDF.
Christian
I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Christian Graus wrote:
when the worlds coolest ASP.NET book intervened
Which one is that???
-Nick Parker
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Essential ASP.NET with examples in C#[^], a terrible title for a book that essentially provides a guided tour of the inner workings of ASP.NET, and all the points at which you can tap in to customise it.
Christian
I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Tom,
I use a Transformer pattern to do this. My reader and writer classes instantiate a transformer (based on the input and output format) to read and write 3 disparate versions of files. The instantiation is parameterized via a factory.
/ravi
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More than meets the eye !!!
Christian
I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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