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Thanks for the "correction" (both of them   )
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I agree with the guy doing the first comment.
Is this worth to be (already) published? (I don't know how it got through, but it went through)
Learn Tiny Bit of C# In 7 Days[^]
And if you say OK, it can stay (I will accept it)... can it be correctly formatted / edited?
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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modified 24-Nov-15 11:46am.
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I was trying to update one of my articles but it is unresponsive:
Fractals in theory and practice[^]
It swallows 1 GB of memory and is unresponsive, and it's also consuming a large amount of the CPU's capacity. Could you take a look at it Sean?
Regards
Kenneth
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Your article had 240,000 lines in it 
Using a previous version I did the best I could to restore it to (presumably) where you left off. If you'd like, I could apply the update for you?
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject
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What?!? What was in the lines, I mean, I don't type that fast
Thank you, it looks fine now. I need to update the code as well. 
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My machine was crying so I didn't check all the lines, but I *think* it was just <p> </p> over and over
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject
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So, that was what was taking up all the space on the servers.
This space for rent
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I wonder what caused that to happen. Editor bug?
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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All those have been deleted due to them being re-aggregated erroneously.
Now say that 5 times fast.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Can anyone explain to me why some people, especially technical people, seem to be devoid of manners and tolerance ? I've published a few things around the net, and seem to find that people are so judgmental and opinionated. They seem to have very little tolerance for anyone new, especially those who dare to ask basic questions.
I've been in the programming and software business for over 20 years, got my PhD in AI, worked for all types of companies big and small, in all types of industries (last 10 years in video games, for Ubisoft, EA etc), and I still can not believe the responses and comments I get.
As experienced professionals, I see it as our job to encourage good practises, processes and techniques for any type of programmer or engineer. After all, we are users of software ourselves, so it's in our interest to teach the next generation how to code, so we don't end up waiting 10 minutes to log in to play UFC mobile (the last game I worked on).
Let's break this tradition of acting like egotistical morons every time someone asks a question that we think is too simple or basic. Or even if "googling it" would provide an answer.
To the pedantic squad ...
Do something good today, and help a newbie on their path to success, and while you are at it, take your head out of your proverbial and realize you are not the greatest living programmer on planet Earth. You are a representative of a fascinating mysterious club of intellectuals who are shaping the future of mankind, hand on your knowledge to the next generation with politeness and understanding.
To the empathetic squad...
Continue to be sagacious and erudite, never become intransigent, listen and learn and keep an open mind. Enjoy the fact that someone panicking about a deadline that is just a few hours away, is blessing your patience and understanding and will be eternally grateful for just a few snippets of helpful knowledge.
And remember, all of us, we are in a position of great power, soon we will be replaced by AI ourselves, and that AI will probably be modeled on the way we act today. So let's be nice, and treat others as we hope the AI of the future will treat us !
Thanks you!
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I think you should post this in the lounge. You will reach more people than here
Nice post by the way
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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I can see 3 reasons...
- First and foremost unpleasant online people is absolutely NOT exclusive to techies. So much so there is a well known word for some of those people. Trolls! Rudeness online is an all too common behavior. And you don't need to be a troll to be victim of occasional fit of anger.
- Technical people are naturally pedantic and arrogant. Having worked hard to acquire knowledge (at least most of us) we fill naturally entitled to have a better opinion than the rest. It makes sense. But communication often fail the most knowledgeable and painful lack of communication ensue....
- Having the same stupid question asked again and again. Occasionally people who make no effort themselves and insist for fully baked product to land in their hungry lazy lap... lead to helpfulness fatigue... and anger...
In a way angry behavior might simply due to the lack of social skill to endure what could be enormous social pressure at times. An all too human and understandable failing.
In a way, it takes 2 to communicate. And the fault, if there is one, lies at both end of the line.
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I think we can add a couple more on to this list:
1. This may be a stereotype or a generalization, but I suspect the tech field appeals to a certain type of person with a certain type of brain chemistry. As an example, introverts, individuals with social anxieties, and/or Asperger's. Often these people don't have the best social skills. I know I fall under this grouping.
2. There's an inherent degree of competition in our field that leaves many developers feeling insecure in their position and/or knowledge (see "imposter syndrome"). It's quite likely that these developers use the Q&A model to (verbally) cut down the competition and prove their superiority.
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Interesting points ...
You know what? Halfway through I wanted to disagree... But somehow you convinced me that they have some relevance! 
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YOU $#%#@@ N00B YOU POSTED IN THE WRONG SECTION!!! (Try The Lounge[^] next time) 
Well alright, I can forgive you for that, since you do make a very good point
I have the same experience, you make one little mistake (or sometimes none) and people go about calling you names, you're clearly a beginner and shouldn't write about what you don't know, that sort of thing.
Luckily I got a lot of good feedback as well, so I'm guessing there's still hope.
That said, I don't think it's really a problem that's unique for our business.
Just read some comments on YouTube and you'll see my point
You'd expect better from programmers because you're a programmer yourself and you tend to think we're better than that.
Unfortunately programmers are just people too.
I guess people are just a-holes 
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What you say is simply all too true for so many 'technical types'.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. - Liber AL vel Legis 1:40, Aleister Crowley
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Agreed!
What then really annoys me is when you are learning something and search on Google, the top results are "Dude! just use Google!!".
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Well said! I am sure that the number of exceptionally rude responses we all see, especially on platforms such as stack overflow is down to the "arms length" anonymity that the media provides alongside some individuals with particularly poor social skills.
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Personally, this is tough.
As someone who used to teach, embarrassment is a powerful teacher, but not always the best approach.
I don't do it (IMO), but I will call out people for the questionable intelligence in their question from time to time, but only if I am providing a real answer, or I have something to add.
It reminds me of the "Yeah, Me too!" or "Agreed" responses. People are treating this like a conversation, and wanting to chime in. Most of those are gone these days, but back in the alt.whatever era, OMG there was a lot of noise from the "me too" responses.
Now, I am not in the position of HAVING to answer these questions. I am sure after 3 years of answering questions of similar nature, I would get there.
What we need is an AI review system that reviews the answer, determines the tone. Compares to the tone the responder usually uses, and prompts them "John, this seems more abusive than usual... Are you having a bad day? I see you did this exactly 28 days ago... you might want to check your hormones (LOL)"
Honestly though, and AI review of posting/emails might be useful (better than a spell checker).
Warning: "Using the word IDIOT and BOSS in the same sentence is usually career limiting!"
Bu I do agree. We need a bit more civility. But we also need thicker skins. In the end,
did you get the answer you wanted, and did you learn something. Move on. Ignore the haters,
eventually they will join the "me too!" replies
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Kirk 10389821 wrote: As someone who used to teach, embarrassment is a powerful teacher, but not always the best approach
I've yet to see embarrassment ever be a useful teaching tool. All I've ever seen it teach people, is not to ask you their questions, which is a pretty sad state of affairs if you're their teacher.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Interesting. Maybe we have a different definition of embarrassing.
I encouraged my students to participate FULLY in class, and be WILLING to be WRONG out loud.
I asked questions, sometimes trick ones. I would get them to raise their hands, scream out
the answers, etc. And then "educate" them.
The point is that you believe/know what you believe/know. It is when that collides with new facts and you realize it aint right, that you truly learn.
Yes, it is embarrassing to be wrong. But it is more important GET IT than it is to be afraid of being embarrassed or being wrong while you are learning.
I was embarrassed in college when I claimed that I could "prove" a program was "correct". The teacher set me up. He then asked "You are making an assumption that the hardware is not at fault".
Literally a couple of months later, the Pentium Division Error reared its ugly head.
I think people spend too much time trying to pretend they are better than they actually are. When learning, making mistakes, BIG ONES, is naturally. Helping the students face it, and LAUGH at it is embarrassing for them. But I believe it helps them.
You might have meant the OLD school: Where someone is insulted, dejected and ridiculed for making a mistake. I am willing to admit I was 22 when I learned where the Middle East was! It was embarrassing to ask that question in a room full of college kids, but I remember the event to this day! And the teacher handled it very well...
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Kirk 10389821 wrote: Maybe we have a different definition of embarrassing
You are right, we were operating on different definitions. I was using the "Old school" definition, and was surprised someone would advocate that .
What you're describing, well, all I can say is, I want to be in your classes.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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True story. On another site, I was an MVP. They sent me a mug. I actually felt guilty for "earning" it because it was by answering the same question over and over and over and over and over.
It gets annoying that the questioner cannot be bothered to search for an answer to his question before asking. Even searching can help him better formulate his questions, since he can say why other people's solutions don't work for him.
I won't deny occasionally becoming exasperated with questioners and I have pretty much stopped answering questions. But you have to realize, the problem goes both ways.
Brent
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Brent,
How far did you go to retrain them?
At an old company, we had Free 800 Support, but it was supposed to be after using the help system.
Nobody would check the help system because we were there, on the ready. I retrained the help staff to forcibly walk the users through finding all known solutions in the help system. Then we would have the users read back the short version of the answer "This situation can be fixed in 4 steps...".
It worked, within 6 months, our call volume dropped to manageable levels.
In this case, I would reply with things like:
If you searched for X+Y+Z, these results would have helped you
If you searched for A+B+C, these results would have helped you
So, I think any of those above answers will solve your problem. If not, ask again with more details.
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The concept is training them to think for themselves.
Also, if they realize you are going to answer the questions that way, they WILL search first! (Eventually)
And thanks for helping others out!
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