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Some people out there believe that PC's and Mac's have the CPU's, RAM, and video cards. Well your wrong macs don't have dual core 3.0GHz CPU's and there most certainly don't user Quad core's either and have you ever heard of a Mac having a 8800GTX or 8800 Ultra or anything to that matter I dont know about you but NO.
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Some of the most close-minded fanbois on the face of the planet are Microsoft fanbois. That had its use, back when Microsoft had competition they took seriously... now, the attitude is hurting Microsoft badly, as business people who actually have to get things *done* go find less dogmatic people to work with. The joke in IT support of my largest client goes "What's the difference between a Windows usee and a Mac user? The Windows victim talks about everything he had to do to get his work done; the Mac user shows off all the great work she got done." Me, I'd rather spend my time doing something other than cleaning up after virus/spambot/rootkit infestations - like doing something that brings real value to the business.... which essentially eliminates current Microsoft fanboi-ism.
Ironic as hell that those "less dogmatic people" tend to be open-standards folks.
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I find that generally anyone that uses the word 'fanboy' in any comment that they write to be the most close-minded of all. So you, someone who obviously has nothing to with Microsoft development shows up on a Microsoft development web site and stand on your soapbox to preach, do you really think that anyone is going to take you seriously. You are just trolling...
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Ummm....
Actually, I've worked for Microsoft doing Windows development. I developed the first stable high-speed serial driver for Windows 1.0, and have developed professionally for every version up to and including Vista. I've been developing for other platforms too, since 1979. In several positions, part of my job was to keep track of developer and/or end-user productivity on both Windows and other systems. For at least the last 12 years, Windows has never been in first place in that regard, and the data show that Windows productivity is dropping while support costs are rising - and both of those trends have been noted in enough different shops in enough different industries that in my professional opinion it constitutes a legitimate trend. I have seen several large Fortune 100 shops taking order-of-magnitude expense hits to support Windows as opposed to other platforms. Until recently, the (always wrong on any subject) conventional wisdom had it that there were no real alternatives. Vista is forcing a large number of businesses to rethink that, simply because they are finally faced with the reality that if they keep going down the path Microsoft is leading them on, they will continue to have less control over critical business processes, to say nothing of expenses (costs that bring no measurable business value).
Calling me "closed-minded" simply because I see business value rather than propaganda goes a long way to explain why the dot-com bubble burst; people get so tied up in emotional commitments to questionable technology that they fail to understand what's trying to be accomplished at the end of the day. This is an increasingly common malady for junior developers (with less than about 15 years experience). People who've been around longer generally look at the problem first and the technology second. Single points of dependency (like sole-source vendors) have too often become single points of failure. Until quite recently, Apple was as much on that particular list as Microsoft. The fact that you can now run Windows, Linux or whatever you want on their hardware in addition to/instead of Mac OS X goes a long way towards redeeming them - again, given the hindsight of bitter experience.
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Talk about the minister preaching to the choir, did you ever suspect any other ratio? People that write code for Windows are not likely to use Apples for their main machine if all of their tools run on Windows any more than an open source Linux developer is likely to use Windows as the main desktop.
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I think that was the point. To see how many people in the so called "MS Realm" would use a MAC.
Schneider
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I use an Apple MacBook Pro 2.33Mhz/2Gb as main machine! with an external 24" monitor . I developed using Visual Studio 2005 under Parallels. One of the main reason I choose an Apple machine was stability and being able to backup/switch windows development environments on the fly. I can backup my entire Windows/VS/MSSQL envirnoment onto a single DL DVD. So version and envirnoment control is a dream. My experience with Windows OS is flaky at best especially after an update or something really silly.
I have also Apache, mysql, PHP and few other unix like things running on the macbook. While programming in Objective C is also quite interest especially when you see how Microsoft got it's ideas!
The Apple box is ideal for developer's to dabble in both worlds and with advent of Vista or Windows 7 the future of Microsoft's OS is bleak.
Another thing is drivers, one thing I don't worry anymore. Then there viruses etc..
One thing I say to Windows/PC lovers don't mock a mac until you've used one for a couple months.
-- modified at 2:27 Tuesday 20th November, 2007
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I don't understand why they are offering so lame graphic cards on their computer.
I don't need a MacPRo and its price is really too high for my needs.
But I would definitively buy a iMac with a better video card.
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As far as I know, Macs come with GeForce 8000 series cards, with top of the line having 8800s. Those are pretty good video cards if you ask me.
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which Mac ?
according to the apple store online, the iMacs (Desktops) are coming with ATI 2400 or 2600. The MacBookPro (laptop) with GeForce 8600M GT (mobile). All those cards are not even mid-range cards ( test here[^] ). The 2400 is ~60$ , the 2600 ~90$
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I have plans to make a new OS that will cooperate with one motherboard I invented and 1 graphics card which I invented too. But not with any other cards.
According to the results of a research I have conducted, this computer will be super-stable and extra-memory-saving. Moreover, no viruses exist that could harm this extra strong computer!
Ofcourse I have plans to make the computer able to run other non-stable and not-good OS of other companies after about 20-30 years, IF the sales of the computer go bad (that is, less than 5% of the total population I target).
Unfortunately, since this super-computer is so good, you will have to pay $32029923 for its basic edition. Sorry about that!
DO YOU THINK I HAVE A CHANCE IN THE WORLD MARKET OF COMPUTERS?
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My story: a SharePoint and Visual studio specialist bought a MAC. He tried Tiger OS and sticked to it. Now he uses Windows VMWare only because of Visual Studio and Visio...
MAC's are cool... 2 thing's i'm not 100% for MAC:
1) prize - 10-20% cost more
2) if laptop, i'd prefer a tablet pc
that's all...
C#, ASPX, SQL, novice to NHibernate
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What about ... NEVER ... I would kill myself first!
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Do you feel it that terrible?
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Yesterday is a canceled check. Tomorrow is a promissory note. Today is the ready cash. USE IT.
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Yes. It’s not the hardware itself, but it’s the difficulty of upgrading it. Apple has a "Do no wrong" perception right now, but if ANY other company tried to tell you, "In order to run our OS, you MUST buy our hardware, and when you want to upgrade, you MUST buy it from us"... well, it wouldn't be well received.
I might not kill myself, but I would give myself a good maiming.
My code has no bugs, just undocumented features.
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I have been using and developing software on PCs for a long time, ~20 years. I always build my own desktop PCs, and I went into this Apple thing expecting to not be impressed.
It all started about 4 months ago I was in need of a laptop. I ended up buying a 15" Macbook Pro (2.2GHz dual core, 2GB, 160GB). I figured I could just install Windows on it if I didn't like OS X.
Let me say I was impressed from the start. I turned the thing on, and all I had to do was enter my wireless security settings. This thing just works like you expect it to. It has a very solid build and lots of small touches that really add up. My old Dell Inspiron feeks like it was built out a Legos by a 3rd grader
After using the Macbook for a few months I really like it a lot. I am running Vista Ultimate in a VM using VMWare Fusion. The performance is very good, Vista running in the VM scores better on the CPU, memory, and hard drive tests than on my AMD dual core 4400+, 4GB, ASUS MB, and SATA 3.0 controller.
After such a great experience with the laptop I began looking into replacing my desktop (the AMD 4400+ mentioned above) that was running Vista Ultimate with a Mac Pro.
When I bought the laptop I got it new from Apple, but I wanted to save a little money on the Mac Pro. I ended up buying a open box Mac Pro from www.macmall.com for about $700 less than a new one. It arrived in perfect condition.
My Mac Pro is a 2.66GHz Xeon quad core with 10GB RAM. Let me tell you it is really nice to be able to install 10GB (or 4GB for that matter) of RAM, and the OS can actually see and use it. I had lots of problems getting XP and Vista to see my 4GB even when the MB supported it.
I am runnig XP Pro using VMWare Fusion, and you can't even tell it's a VM. I run all the software I ran on my PC (SQL 2005, Visual Studio, Paint.NET, etc) with no problems and excellent performance. VMWare Fusion even puts Windows application windows right on your OS X desktop just lik native OS X apps. Very cool.
Also, OS X has been great. Neither the laptop or the desktop have ever crashed or thrown a single error in months of use. Windows even seems to run better in the VM than on real hardware. Might be somthing to do with the VMWare driver quality.
I upgraded to Leopard (OS X 10.5) about a week ago, and it is working fine so far.
Bottom line is that I was skeptical at first, but after actually using Apple hardware and OS X I am completely sold. Sure, I still need to develop software on Windows because that's where the money is, but I have found that for anything else I prefer to use OS X. It is much better than XP or Vista IMO.
If you are thinking about trying a Mac I say definitely give it a shot. Once you actually experience it there are tons of small touches that you just can't appreciate on a technical spec sheet. They are well worth the price.
Now I understand that what I like not everyone else will, but you will never know until you try it.
-- modified at 11:52 Thursday 15th November, 2007
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You did not buy a Mac, you bought an over priced PC, with the Mac OS.
Schneider
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Call it what you will, but I am happy with it. That's all that matters. 
The only software I run under the Windows VM is development tools. Everything else I run in OS X.
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I think I have to disagree that Apple computers come in a better package and have the same CPU's. My systems always have top-notch, bleeding-edge hardware that surpasses Apples, for considerably less. My computers externals look at worst just as good, and at best far better (imo), than an Apple Macintosh. If you boil it down to an apples-to-apples comparison of hardware, looks, os, and cost, PC will win hands down every time because they cost so much less, and still have a great OS. Brushed metal cases? Sure, easy to come by, and in a hundred different varieties to meet each persons individual preferences (vs. the SINGLE option you get with Apple). Simplicity and elegance of design? There are ten million different kinds keyboards, mice, monitors, speakers, and cases of all different sizes, shapes, colors, textures, and qualities that each individual can choose from to build the computer that fits THEIR preferences of simplicty and design. Sure, Apple stuff looks good, but there is only one flavor.
I'll grant, Mac OS X looks cool, its clean and simple. Leopard has a really cool, snazzy new look that I would say isn't quite as clean, but certainly more interesting than previous versions of OS X. It has some pretty cool featuers too, some of them taken from Vista, some of them new. Thats the age-old question of who stole from who though, and I don't think anyone knows anymore (however, I have to say, StarDock had gadgets first in the form of DesktopX for Windows...long before Yahoo, Apple, or anyone else...LONG before). But you have to ask yourself, whats more important in an operating system if your a developer? Glossy shine and fancy gadgetry in the abscence of flexability and function, or flexability and function with a little less shine? I'll take Windows with my Visual Studio, SQL Server, IIS, .NET, C#, etc. etc. over OS X any day.
OS X is an operating system with fancy stuff for fancy people...Windows is a whole platform with cool stuff for cool developers. 
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Thanks for the compliments Jeff. I really need to finish that series too...the third article has been left hanging, as I've been sick for about 3 months. :\ I hope to wrap it up soon!! 
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I think we could proove the point about looks on PC rivaling or surpassing that of Apples, too. Anyone got a photo of their sweet PC setup? If so, link it!!
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But that is not a no permanently. Yes I would buy a Mac, or Linux, or BSD Unix, providing it allowed full GPU and other hardware support under Virtual environments. That is finally starting to happen, but it is young. Hypervisor direct control of hardware from within a virtual environment is a big change. GPU is just now starting, but it would have to go well beyond just the GPU to Physics processors, A to D converters, and others. As long as the speed is there, and direct hardware support within the virtual environments you can choose what ever you like, or can afford, etc. Apple would not be precluded, and never has been precluded for my line of work, other than the fact that I do so much with a variety of hardware that I can't be held back by either the platform nor the virtual environment on the platform.
To me the ultimate machine would be one where I can choose what hardware is visible on the virtual environment, building many test-machines for customer equipment. Then I can have one fully loaded machine that looks like many smaller machines with a variety of customer choice Operating systems.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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That would have been a No, if Macs didn't switch to Intel, and Parallels didn't make it so easy to virtualize Windows on a Mac for my development needs!
I have to admit, Leopard makes Vista look pretty darned silly from my initial impressions! I might be buying a Mac soon... it's really getting too darned tempting
Happy programming!
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