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jmaida22-May-23 13:35

jmaida

22-May-23 13:35

Understood. I forgot about the IBM selling Lenova. You are right.

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Peter Adam23-May-23 22:57

Peter Adam

23-May-23 22:57

Not exactly, Lenovo is a Chinese company which bought IBM's personal computer business back in 2005. Maybe you thought of Thinkpad, brand of IBM laptops sold then.

Moshe Katz24-May-23 4:32

Moshe Katz

24-May-23 4:32

Single Step Debugger wrote:
so don't count on the "lasted" part.

I have owned two ThinkPad laptops from after the Lenovo acquisition. The first one died at around 9 years old, and the second is 7 years old and still working very well.

PIEBALDconsult21-May-23 18:14

21-May-23 18:14

honey the codewitch wrote:
this site won't take orders on Saturday, due to Shabbat

I found that a few years ago, ordering some photographic equipment. Why should the site work at all if they simply don't allow ordering? Bizarre.

honey the codewitch21-May-23 18:14

21-May-23 18:14

I'm wondering if it was the same site - B&H Photo?

Apparently they are very popular.

Edit: I'm guessing there's someone that has to process the order somehow the way their backend works. It must not be fully automated.

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PIEBALDconsult22-May-23 4:59

22-May-23 4:59

honey the codewitch wrote:
B&H Photo?

Well, yes, I had hoped that it would be clear that I meant them. To the best of my recollection I ordered some 8mm movie film.

Bruno van Dooren21-May-23 20:19

Bruno van Dooren

21-May-23 20:19

I am guessing that when you look at the site, you're only 'looking' which is allowed on shabbat. Taking an order constitutes a financial transaction and is probably regarded differently.

OriginalGriff21-May-23 22:03

OriginalGriff

21-May-23 22:03

I'm guessing it's the "Writing" prohibition:

The Thirty-Nine Categories of Sabbath Work Prohibited By Law[^]
This includes all forms of writing and drawing.

Typing, printing, and using a rubber stamp all come under this heading.

The main objective of writing is the keeping of records, and therefore, the spirit of the law forbids any activity normally requiring a written record. Thus, the Sanhedrin forbade all sorts of business activity, as well as marriage and divorce on the Sabbath. (Note 20)

Calculations and measurements are also included, since they also normally involve writing.

Since taking an order would involve making a record, a strict interpretation would allow the site to remain, but ordering to be forbidden as you'd have to update a database.

I'm not Jewish though, so I could be well wrong! Laugh | :laugh:

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PIEBALDconsult22-May-23 5:06

22-May-23 5:06

Which is all well and good, but surely even tracking my search, writing to temporary tables, writing to a cookie on my system, is still a violation if they want to get like that.

And out-sourcing the data center would surely resolve any issues they may still have.

An online search is not equivalent to "window shopping" when a shop is closed.

Anyway, I find it bizarre that they don't simply put up a "closed for Shabbat, come back tomorrow" splash screen. It would be a lot more helpful.

OriginalGriff22-May-23 5:41

OriginalGriff

22-May-23 5:41

PIEBALDconsult wrote:
I find it bizarre that they don't simply put up a "closed for Shabbat, come back tomorrow" splash screen.

Keeping to the Shabbat can get quite a bit more bizarre than that: Why There's a Single, Tiny Wire Encircling Manhattan - YouTube[^]

PIEBALDconsult22-May-23 5:57

22-May-23 5:57

Oh, I knows it. But the Lounge is no place for such things.

Daniel Pfeffer22-May-23 6:40

Daniel Pfeffer

22-May-23 6:40

I think that we can take it as read that all religions have practices or beliefs that appear bizarre to outsiders. And yes, the Lounge is the wrong place for this discussion. Smile | :)

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Al Fargnoli24-May-23 8:14

Al Fargnoli

24-May-23 8:14

Do they allow you to add item to a wishlist?

Daniel Pfeffer22-May-23 6:36

Daniel Pfeffer

22-May-23 6:36

I am Jewish, and I can tell you that no observant Jew would have their place of business open on the Sabbath, even if all the staffers were non-Jews.

As for keeping the web site going, there is no prohibition against leaving a mechanism that was operating before the Sabbath to operate on the Sabbath. For example, there is no problem turning an electric light on before the Sabbath and have it stay on all the Sabbath. In like manner, there is no reason to shut down the web site.

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.

PIEBALDconsult22-May-23 7:50

22-May-23 7:50

Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
there is no reason to shut down the web site

But why disable one part of it while leaving most of it fully active?
It still seems similar to leaving the shop open to allow browsing and comparing prices, but just no sales.
Even the history of browsing should still be recorded for analytics.

jschell23-May-23 5:30

jschell

23-May-23 5:30

OriginalGriff wrote:
Since taking an order would involve making a record

Interesting question.

To me the following makes it clear that the work applies to humans. Only.

[^]

It actually says the computer can be left on and one can even interact with it in a limited way.

Logically I could also see that if this was not the case then one would need to turn off the refrigerator.

Or what about even an irrigation system? Would a farmer need to turn that off? Following says no.

https://www.yeshiva.co/ask/55872[^]

haughtonomous23-May-23 22:30

haughtonomous

23-May-23 22:30

How many angels are there on the head of a pin?🙄

haughtonomous23-May-23 22:30

haughtonomous

23-May-23 22:30

How many angels are there on the head of a pin?🙄

Bruno van Dooren21-May-23 20:17

Bruno van Dooren

21-May-23 20:17

That is quite steep. I get it, an i9 with a 4090. Surprised they can cool it satisfactorily. Do the fans start to scream when you're playing doom or something like that?

honey the codewitch22-May-23 2:03

22-May-23 2:03

It doesn't arrive until Wednesday. I've heard it can get loud.

There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me

MarkTJohnson22-May-23 3:39

MarkTJohnson

22-May-23 3:39

You'll hear the delivery two stops away?

I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

honey the codewitch22-May-23 3:39

22-May-23 3:39

I'll be chasing the truck in my car. Laugh | :laugh:

There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me

FreedMalloc22-May-23 4:17

FreedMalloc

22-May-23 4:17

Ooooh! GTA Live! Laugh | :laugh:

honey the codewitch22-May-23 4:42

22-May-23 4:42

By the way, if you play GTAO there's a Codeproject crew you can join now. OriginalGriff has the deets.

There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me