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GeneralI'm not worried about ChatGPT. Pin
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trΓΈnderen9-Mar-23 10:40
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I first met Eliza in 1975. That obviously was a very simple version, about 200 lines of SNOBOL code. Yet I have to ask: Is there any essential difference, at the principal level, between Eliza and ChatGPT?

In the years to follow, I have chatted with various Lizas. In the mid-1980s there was one version claiming to be able to discuss 30,000 different subjects. I tried it on stamp collecting and veteran cars, immediately learning that it knew a lot more about both than I did. It was focused on the one subject you selected, and aimed at providing real information on that subject, not just chat along like Lisa / ChatGPT.

It appears to me that the only thing that makes ChatGPT stand out is the media hype. I'd guess that 99% of those trying out ChatGPT nowadays have never ever had a chat with any version of Eliza. Most likely, they haven't even heard about Eliza, and would be highly surprised to learn that a similar program existed more than 50 years ago. (Eliza was developed in 1964-66.)

One thing that the simple SNOBOL version of Eliza gave me - the source code was available - was a hatred of regex. SNOBOL is "regex with a human face" Smile | :) . When you learn how pattern matching can be expressed, you will never ever want to go back to that gruesome regex language! Sure, SNOBOL requires more keystrokes, but it is readable, too, not only writable.

On my todo list is to dig up that old Eliza source code from the deep, dark corners of my basement: A few weeks ago, I started a small hobby project of defining a couple C# classes implementing pattern matching, SNOBOL style. C# syntax requirements make it impossible to reach the same elegance as SNOBOL, so the Eliza source text must be slightly rewritten. When I can have a chat with her, at the same level as I had in 1975, my class definitions have reached an essential milestone. (I might even report it here at CP!)
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