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I bought agricultural land...
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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In America, a person is hard-pressed to find any remaining good farmland due to the ever increasing urban sprawl. We import more now, than ever before. Almost every farmer in America has to be subsidized by the local and federal governments in order to remain functional and viable.
Edit: farmland is getting smaller, in acreage, every year, due to urban sprawl. My original comment made it read as if we don't have any farmland left. Also, interesting to note, that Bill Gates owns a tremendous amount of farm land in the United States now and he is anti-beef/cattle and pro meat substitute.
modified 16-Jan-23 6:32am.
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Lot's here in Georgia USA. I think the real issue has more to do with being profitable. If you were doing it to survive, you would have of course a huge reduction in your "standard of living" - but you'd survive.
A friend from decades past went to college specifically to become a farmer. He did quite well, but he worked his butt off. He got started in the land crash around 1980 and bought out a bankrupt farm for 10 cents on the dollar. He also picked this farm due to its peanut quota. Yep, there's that government thing again.
Me? I'm about to grab a free chicken run and get me some egg layers.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Where do you live? New jersey? Based on my searches, there are hundreds of acres for pennies in states like WV. And the arable land stays almost the same through the years. Urbanization levels are also constant for the last years. Actually, none of what you are saying happens to be true. You better be replaced with an AI. 
United States Rate of Urbanization (2010 - 2021, %) - GlobalData[^]
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modified 16-Jan-23 10:23am.
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Well, I know you are a troll, and I think this is another prominent member's sock puppet account, almost sure of it, and I am almost 100% sure I know who you are.
There are a number of articles and reports online describing how the farm land in America is getting smaller and smaller over time due to urban development, etc.
Everything I said is true.
The US Lost 1.3 Million Acres Of Farmland In 2021 - Here's Why It Matters[^]
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Nope, neither a troll nor a fake account. So, you're wrong again.  And if I'm a troll why bother feeding me with some click-bite article? Even a simple AI would notice something fishy with the numbers this article is based on. Some 1.9 mil acres lost in housing annually. This is under 3000 square miles. Verry sensational.
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Slacker007 wrote: There are a number of articles and reports online
Perhaps but the single one you posted looks like click bait.
The author's articles look alarmist.
Kevin Vandenboss Author Profile | Benzinga[^]
As an example the following is from the article itself. All sorts of problems with that.
"The global food demand is increasing due to the growing population and rising incomes in developing countries. The United Nations estimates that crop production will have to increase by 60% by the year 2050 to feed the estimated 9.3 billion people living on the planet at that time."
First of course is that the United States itself is not going to be feeding the world. Never has, never will.
Second there has not been a actual lack of food in the world since some where in the 1900s. What is actually lacking is the very real money needed to move the food from where it is to where it is needed.
Third the population of the earth specified is only an increase of about 25% in 2050. So no idea where 60% increase in food comes from now unless it suggesting everyone needs to be swimming in food. And what is not mentioned is that about 2050 the population of the world is going to plateau.
Fourth the contribution of the US to the total world food supply has been going down. Not because of production but rather because other places are producing more, excessively more, and are delivering that excess. Presumably cheaper too.
And also from that article and I suspect what the author is really interested in because all of the other articles are about 'investments' also.
"An Overlooked Investment Option: While ETFs like Teucrium Wheat Fund ETV (ARCA: WEAT)..."
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Not only urban sprawl, but I heard that China is buying up American farmland at an alarming rate.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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yes, they are. China has owned parts of the Port of Long Beach California for many years. Federal and local governments have been "trying" to limit this from growing for years. I think the battle still continues.
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Slacker007 wrote: All low skill and low IQ people on earth will be replaced by AI systems.
And yet as I pointed out in my original post point of sale attempts at replacements have been going on for more than 20 years (might even be 30.) Actual installs into stores.
Yet it still hasn't happened.
And the replacements that have occurred, like Walmart cashiers is definitely not AI but, as also stated, because now the customers are doing the work.
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I see AI could replace people in call centers.
Not such good news for the Indian economy then.
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Any work that requires conscious decision making will be outside of AI for quite a lot of time.
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jschell wrote: Now when that happens then I might be concerned about what jobs robots might replace.
When that happens it is already too late.
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It’s pretty much as with car assembly plants, robots replace workers but you still need a couple of engineers in case robots go out of normal functioning order.
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That statement is making the assumption, as with many alarmist articles, that it is given that the robot (or AI) will actually be able to replace the person.
Consider the standard call center where the call center employees are mandated to follow a script. Of course that process can be replaced by an AI.
But look at the following article. Do you think an AI is going to be doing that?
Zappos' 10-Hour Long Customer Service Call Sets Record | HuffPost Impact[^]
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jshell - shall we sign up for a plumbing class
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Certainly plumbing (and trades) are going to see a significant increase in pay in the future.
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Until theft of original works to train the not-really-AI projects is stopped, I will continue to be bothered by AI offerings.
At a bare minimum, folks need to be informed of the theft involved. But folks buy stolen things and things produced with stolen tech and art all the time, so I think we need some sort of legal action, criminal and civil until the theft is the shadow industry it should be and known as a criminal endeavor.
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Cpichols wrote: Until theft of original works to train the not-really-AI projects is stopped
Not sure where you work but where I work developers often use google to search for solutions.
I have never worked with a single developer that understood copyright laws much less spent time researching the actual application of that to some code that they ended up copying. Multiple companies.
I worked at one place where it was found that an employee was using significant amounts of code from his previous employer. He just copied it and brought along. It all had to be ripped out.
I have seen employers suggest that interviews that prospective employees should demonstrate previous code (the actual code) that they worked on during the interview process.
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Wow. That needs to stop. I have copied snippets offered in tutorials or blog posts, but those are usually tiny (~20 lines or less) and always used as a guideline for me since they're usually not exactly what I'm after. Do you think these can be copyrighted, or are you referring to the much larger issues like the one you cited?
For me, Google is mostly just a quicker way to find the reference page I want. Is actually writing code so rare?
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Cpichols wrote: tutorials or blog posts, but those are usually tiny (~20 lines or less) and always used as a guideline for me since they're usually not exactly what I'm after. Do you think these can be copyrighted, or are you referring to the much larger issues like the one you cited?
You need to check the blog/tutorial.
At least some forums that are on the internet state in the terms of use that posting to the forum means you (the poster) are giving up rights. But as a user of that posted code you need to check first.
Cpichols wrote: find the reference page I want.
Not sure what you mean by "reference page".
But for example even though I have the original Java API in a book I haven't actually cracked that in years. Rather I would search for a Java API via google. Same for the Microsoft libraries.
However that is the core stuff of both. When I start using additional libraries then I must track down the license for each. What I then do for legal reasons is create at text file (or perhaps several) where I document the following
- The library name
- Source of the libary
- Version
- The name of the license (like 'Berkely')
- A summary that states it is free for commercial use
- A link the license that I found.
- And often a copy of that license document. (Why? Because links can change or disappear.)
All of the above will meet due diligence changes for internal or external audits.
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Analysis and design preceed programming. Mess up the problem definition, and all the AI in the world won't help with building the wrong solution.
e.g. What is the chance of dispersion of a company of skirmishers, with average ability, in extended open order, firing on the march, who have been doing double time for the last 2.5 minutes, who are receiving as much fire as they're dispensing, who were defeatd in their last encounter, and have currently lost 20% of their numbers, etc.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Quote: Far as I can recall I first saw an automated order entry system in a fast food restaurant in the 1990's. Yet today I still see a person behind the counter for every fast food place I go to.
I wish that were the case for me. My experience with (some) McDondald's is that there is never anyone behind the counter. The kiosks developed for self-serve customer ordering during covid are what you have to use, unless you go up to the counter and stare at the folks packaging food and working the drive through, waiting for them to notice and come take your order at some point, which isn't worth the hassle.
So generally the kiosk is fine to use, however I like to get a tote (13) of cookies always, and guess what, after you select that "item", you have to select the flavor of each of the 13 cookies from a list of. . . .yes, 1 element (chocolate chip - that's all they have). So, 13 times you have to do this.
Some programmer/requirement developed/stated that this was needed for future needs I'm sure, but. . .wow, it is really annoying, especially since if you tap repeatedly on the cookie flavor (which you do because the refresh rate is so annoyingly slow) it must fill a buffer and the kiosk app locks up and you have to start over at another one!  So, yes, I am definitely "hangry" at that point.
So, when we (by 2 sons are along usually) get to that point one of them says "dad, let me do this".
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My Win10 dev box (an 11th Gen Intel i7 @ 2.80GHz, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD NUC with zero bloatware) runs well and is the source of much joy, especially when building Android apps in C# using Visual Studio. I've been eyeing the MacOS-like rounded corners and the subtle window border shadows of the Win11 UI with envy. The only thing that's preventing me from upgrading (in place) is a perhaps irrational fear that VS will malfunction, or worse - stop working altogether.
For those who've in-place upgraded their Win10 dev box to Win11, did it adversely impact Visual Studio? Am I over worrying? 
/ravi
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