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We must have worked with the same guy! I once worked on a VB program with a couple of hundred global variables. When i complained to the original developer he said, "What's wrong with that?"
Funny, this guy was an author of multiple VB books.
Bill Selznick
Bits 2 Systems LLC
bselznick@bits2systems.com
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many years ago I saw the same years ago in a FORTRAN prog, as you say some of the bugs this introduced were interesting. Perhaps this guy used to work in England?
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
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Had this man not heard of DefInt? 
(Worst keyword ever - except perhaps As Any!)
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Hello, love the show, long time listener, first time caller.
One of the company's c++ coding guidelines is that goto's are forbidden. For some developers who use goto statements as error handling this could present a problem. For others, ...
for ( ;; ) {
for ( ;; ) {
bool someError = func();
if (someError) {
break;
}
if (anotherError) {
break;
}
break;
}
for ( ;; ) {
break;
}
break;
}
After stumbling upon this beauty I searched and found over 200 infinite loops used as an error handling technique. Not one of these loops ever actually looped.
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Yep, seen it. I hate this irrational ban on goto. It's out of date - it dates from a time when decent control structures weren't common. A judicious, careful, occasional use of a goto is fine. Subverting a control structure to give it a different meaning is definitely not.
For more, see Gotos Considered Harmful and Other Programmers' Taboos[^] [PDF, 17k].
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Goto's are really really bad and should be super rarely used. They are not needed for error handling. The only good use I've seen for goto's is machine generated code with tools like YACC and LEX.
Generally speaking, break, continue, and multiple returns can cause problems too. Readability and maintainability are very important.
Imagine if you will a "come from" statement. You put a label X somewhere then in a totally different part of the method you place a "come from" label X. Whenever control reaches the label you goto the "come from". Imagine how hard it would be to read that code.
What's wrong with using exceptions for error handling?
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RodgerB wrote: Goto's are really really bad and should be super rarely used. They are not needed for error handling.
This
if (spin_trylock(&tty_lock.lock))
goto got_lock;
if (tsk == tty_lock.lock_owner) {
WARN_ON(!tty_lock.lock_count);
tty_lock.lock_count++;
return flags;
}
spin_lock(&tty_lock.lock);
got_lock:
WARN_ON(tty_lock.lock_owner);seems pretty well justified for me.
You could do this with nested ifs, but you would neither get more clarity nor faster code. Only code indenting out at your right screen margin.
Failure is not an option - it's built right in.
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I guess we could argue this back and forth. It comes down to avoiding mistakes and doing things as a matter of policy.
E.g.
I never do this:
int* y, z;
I always do this:
int* y;
int z;
Why you ask. Too easy to read it wrong at a glance, too easy to miss something. Some logic as to why I never use goto's and why I don't put returns anywhere but at the very bottom or very top of a function.
I believe this to be more than just a matter of style.
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That is an excellent paper! I rarely use goto, but sometimes it is the best solution to a problem. (Example: escaping from multiple nested loops.)
I once read someone’s general rule that you always go forward, but I found one exception years ago:
NEXT_BYTE:
if( x>xmin ) {
Byte = *(--vptr);
if( Byte == 0xFF ) {
x -= 8;
goto NEXT_BYTE;
}
}
Sure the above code could be written using a loop and originally was, but this increased the speed (graphics code) enough to justify its use at the time.
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra
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I once came across an Access database (already WTF) that used columns instead of rows for a Calendar like application ! The Calendar table had (from memory) 1 row for each day with 50+ columns for each half hour block from 8:00am. Now you can imagine the horror it was to try to maintain such an application. The reports that ran of this dog were nightmarish, even to SELECT a single day that had 'something' happening on it looked something like
SELECT * FROM Calendar WHERE Time800 <> '' OR Time830 <> '' OR Time900 <> '' .. OR Time1600 <> ''
I can imagine what the coder would have said when asked to make the days start a little earlier than 8:00, "Oh, sure, that'll take at least another 4 months to re-schema the database and touch up all the affected queries".
And when the original developers were sacked for taking way took long and we took over the project we were questioned why we were completely rewriting it from scratch. The above Calendar table was just one example in this diseased rats nest, there were plenty of others like using hidden form controls as global variables. You would open up the main form and had absolutely no hope of actually telling what it would look like when run since it was completely covered in these demons from hell. I just hate with a passion code that does not read simple, I hate it when I cannot confidently make a simple change to some code without it screwing up something completely unrelated because the variable I modded was global and had different meanings depending on where it was called from.
Anyway that's my rant 
Code should be simple. No excuses.
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Steve Fillingham wrote: 1 row for each day with 50+ columns for each half hour block from 8:00am
More than 50 half hours after 8am? Which planet was that calendar designed for - mercury or venus?!? 
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I wager the developers put in extra hours for leap years.
Brad
Australian
- Captain See Sharp on "Religion"
any half intelligent person can come to the conclusion that pink unicorns do not exist.
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Good pickup I dont know about the Calender but the dev was definitely not of this Earth
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This jewel is one of my favourites. I found it in a customer's code (they asked us to enhance the application):
BOOL cIBatchDownload::OnInitDialog()
{
if (m_bCreated)
{
}
...
return TRUE;
}
I eager to look deeper into this code to find more post for this newly created forum. ![Badger | [badger,badger,badger,badger...]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/badger.gif)
A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine.
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Hmmm! 
I have done that when outlining the code before filling the in-betweens. The real question is: what was supposed to be inserted there?
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra
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Once upon a time, I was leading a team that was doing the server side of an internet banking application. Because this sort of app was in its infancy, there was little confidence, and a lot of paranoia. IIRC, the flow was that a connection would come into an external server, a session would be created and packed and sent across a serial cable to the machine that would handle authentication. This packet would be decrypted, verified and sent back, then it would move on to another machine across another serial cable for the transaction. We had essentially the same process running on each machine, but operating a bit differently depending on the role.
ANYWAY ... we had a problem in that sometimes, a session would drop out, and the service would crash. We logged, we debugged, we stepped through, and couldn't find it, until one fine day, we hit a breakpoint, and the developer said "Huh. That's funny. That should be a session object, not a data chunk."
The penny dropped. "Ah," I said. "That session ID that you're passing back and forth between machines ... is that an index into the session array, or what?"
"No," came the bemused reply. "I thought it would be quicker to just use the address of the object".
Apparently, the original object had been deleted because the session had been dropped, and the runtime had reused the space for something else. So when the session ID was cast from its session ID form (int) to its pointer form, it was pointing at something else. Don't get me wrong ... I love pointers. I just had no idea that their abuse would be extended to neighbouring machines.
-- modified at 23:41 Monday 5th March, 2007
--
All things considered, you can't really consider all things ...
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I was once maintaining some odd looking code that had the (no joke) the following pattern:
<br />
int variable;<br />
<br />
class CSomething {<br />
public:<br />
int variable;<br />
<br />
void Func(int variable) {<br />
{<br />
int variable;<br />
}<br />
};<br />
};<br />
Count them: FOUR declarations of the same variable name (and type) in the same file!
1) In the global scope
2) As a member var
3) as a function parameter
4) declared IN SIDE the function that has the identical named param
Yes, it was legal - but it didn't make it right.
[ Jason De Arte | Toy Maker | 1001010.com ]
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Makes me remind of the last programming exams i took... They make you go insane with a snippet 10 times difficult than the above, then they ask you "WTF does var on line x refer to, which is its value?"
Someone just never learns 
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Whilre reviewing the code from some contract developers, I have found a common construct:
<br />
public void SomeMethod()<br />
{<br />
try<br />
{<br />
}<br />
catch (Exception exception)<br />
{<br />
throw exception;
}<br />
}<br />
Why just catch and re-throw an exception? This just adds to the complexity of the execution without doing anything in return.
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I would wrap that in an # if DEBUG; too many times when debugging I can't figure out where an exception happened, especially when there's a finally involved.
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Yep it can be useful for debugging. Anyway, I'd use just throw; to rethrow exception, as that way I don't lose stack trace IIRC.
"Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus
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You know you can get VS to break on exceptions when debugging so even if the code is wrapped in a try - catch / finally block it'll always break when the exception is thrown rather than when it's un-handled.
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I agree with the use of conditional statements for this purpose, but they are not there and this is supposedly debugged code. I can also see re-throwing if there is a finally block cleaning up, regardless of the use of conditionals.
What I didn't show was that there are typically three or four lines of code inside the try block...
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I once worked with a programmer who wrote code like that. He yelled at me (in front of the big boss) for getting rid of it. It turns out he wasn't aware that .Net puts a stack trace in Exception objects! The real lesson that *I* learned is "old habits die hard"; he was still using techniques from back in the C++ / COM days.
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