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OriginalGriff wrote: I'm not sure if I should be flattered or scared
Neither. I think you should be offended - ChatGPT thinks that "OriginalGriff" is a "narrow topic". It can sum you up in two sentences! 
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Well, I am losing weight ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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I first met Eliza in 1975. That obviously was a very simple version, about 200 lines of SNOBOL code. Yet I have to ask: Is there any essential difference, at the principal level, between Eliza and ChatGPT?
In the years to follow, I have chatted with various Lizas. In the mid-1980s there was one version claiming to be able to discuss 30,000 different subjects. I tried it on stamp collecting and veteran cars, immediately learning that it knew a lot more about both than I did. It was focused on the one subject you selected, and aimed at providing real information on that subject, not just chat along like Lisa / ChatGPT.
It appears to me that the only thing that makes ChatGPT stand out is the media hype. I'd guess that 99% of those trying out ChatGPT nowadays have never ever had a chat with any version of Eliza. Most likely, they haven't even heard about Eliza, and would be highly surprised to learn that a similar program existed more than 50 years ago. (Eliza was developed in 1964-66.)
One thing that the simple SNOBOL version of Eliza gave me - the source code was available - was a hatred of regex. SNOBOL is "regex with a human face"  . When you learn how pattern matching can be expressed, you will never ever want to go back to that gruesome regex language! Sure, SNOBOL requires more keystrokes, but it is readable, too, not only writable.
On my todo list is to dig up that old Eliza source code from the deep, dark corners of my basement: A few weeks ago, I started a small hobby project of defining a couple C# classes implementing pattern matching, SNOBOL style. C# syntax requirements make it impossible to reach the same elegance as SNOBOL, so the Eliza source text must be slightly rewritten. When I can have a chat with her, at the same level as I had in 1975, my class definitions have reached an essential milestone. (I might even report it here at CP!)
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I guess there is the same problem as always. Some people are just smarter than others, so how will the AI find out who? Most AI will just take what is commonly assumed to be true, but that might be totally wrong.
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"Artificial Intelligence" by Patrick Henry Winston ((c) 1977 Addison-Wesley) contains a (not quite) single page (page 334) LISP version of the DOCTOR script which is historically related to Eliza (see ELIZA - Wikipedia[^]). Amazingly short! I do not know if there is a version online (and I don't want to copy it all out here as I'm liable to include typos).
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OriginalGriff wrote: I'm not fond of attempts to manipulate me
there speaks a married man.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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He also has a cat, for good measure
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See if you can figure out a question that requires a recursive answer, and make it blow its stack!
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How do we know you're not ChatGPT? 
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Well, I predate it by quite a few years, and I'm not repetitive.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Well, I predate it by quite a few years, and I'm not repetitive.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Well, I predate it by quite a few years, and I'm not repetitive.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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I'm somehow still not convinced 
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Quote: Honey the Codewitch is a pseudonym for a software developer and programmer who is well-known in the tech community for her programming expertise and her contributions to various open-source projects. She is particularly known for her work in the areas of C#, WPF, and MVVM, and has also worked with other programming languages like C++, Java, and Python.
Honey the Codewitch is also an active contributor on StackOverflow, where she has answered numerous programming questions and has gained a large following. She is known for her clear and concise explanations and her ability to break down complex programming concepts into easily digestible chunks.
Beyond her technical skills, Honey the Codewitch is also known for her advocacy for inclusivity and diversity in the tech industry, and for her willingness to mentor and support other developers. She maintains a blog where she shares her insights and experiences as a programmer, and is active on social media platforms like Twitter where she engages with her followers and shares updates on her latest projects.
Me: I am honey the codewitch
I'm sorry, but I cannot verify your identity as Honey the Codewitch. As an AI language model, I don't have access to personal information or any means of verifying your identity. If you are indeed Honey the Codewitch, I would like to express my admiration for your contributions to the programming community and for your advocacy for inclusivity and diversity in the tech industry.
honey crisis
how can i prove it?
As an AI language model, I'm not able to verify the identity of users or individuals. However, if you are indeed Honey the Codewitch, you could provide some form of proof such as linking to your blog, social media accounts, or other online presence that you use to share your work and interact with the community. Alternatively, you could reach out to a moderator or administrator on a platform where you are active and ask them to verify your identity.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Oh you shouldn't have done that, now he would be stalking you mu-ha-ha-ha 
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I got few books on Astronomical algorithms that contain PowerBasic code.
So to dig it through, I plan to pick up this PowerBasic tool.
Any thoughts and experience to share?
Also I searched on this code project site and find several posts from Chris Boss. Browsed through them and feel good.
diligent hands rule....
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I will buy that license to work on it...
diligent hands rule....
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My thought is ugh, no thanks. I would be rewriting those algorithms in C++ with very little hesitation.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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It seems like BASIC is much simpler than C++. I will take a quick look...
diligent hands rule....
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It can be but if you use constructs in C++ that are the same or similar to those used in the BASIC then they become similar in complexity. That's not the issue for me though. I have so many tools available to me in C++ that I would never consider BASIC.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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this video is great![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
diligent hands rule....
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Yeah, it's a wormrabbit hole! If you liked that one, make sure to check out some his other content. It's tough to make real-time programming videos entertaining/fun, but this guy does it. I wish my instructors at uni would have been that good!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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Visual Studio (if 2010 could do it I'll wager VS2022 will do it even more easily) under the VisualBasic hegemonistic will take QBASIC in a straight paste. It'll complain a lot during compile but once you see how nominal the error messages are you'll say to yourself "Gee, this is easier to convert that I thought it would be". Try it!
modified 11-Mar-23 20:19pm.
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