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I'm about to install QEMU KVM... in WSL... in Windows 11. It'll be Windows 11 > WSL > Debian 12 > Debian 12, so I can reset the inner Debian VM while testing some install scripts. 
Imagine having this chat with devs in the 1960s. 
Yeah, I could just install VMWare... but we're going for cool points. And what's life without cool points?
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: devs in the 1960s.
Wrote my first program in LEO III* machine code in 1966.
*The LEO III was a great machine, 16K of core memory, no rotating storage (other than magnetic tape), filled a huge air-conditioned room, and played music through a speaker on the main CPU control panel.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: Wrote my first program in LEO III* machine code in 1966.
You da man.  Or should I say?
01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100100 01100001 00100000 01101101 01100001 01101110 00101110
Real talk, there is something magical about the early days of computing. Back when it was the wild west and being a part of something new.
Jeremy Falcon
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: *The LEO III was a great machine, 16K of core memory, no rotating storage (other than magnetic tape), filled a huge air-conditioned room, and played music through a speaker on the main CPU control panel.
Sorry, I blazed over this part. Us youngins and our attention spans. 
That's really cool actually. Back when you didn't waste memory or disk space either. Nowadays we got Blu-rays that hold a 100GB and we think that's chump change. All so we can store stuff that's probably 90% useless.
Jeremy Falcon
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I have 3 small furry laptops, and a home free of bugs as a consequence - despite the windows being open all summer.
In exchange I feed them and change their litterboxes.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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They also provide entertainment and stress relief (sometimes).
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This looks a lot like a site driving attempt.
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Yeah, his profile says US. Not sure if he noticed or not, but most people speak English in the US.
Jeremy Falcon
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Default profile of a new registrant is likely US, and most new users don't prefer to change it to their country of citizenry, because this is an opportunity to attend least virtually become a US resident.
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Good point. It makes me not trust the person though. At worst, they're too lazy to click a button. At best, they're trying to pretend to be something they're not online. Either way, doesn't inspire confidence. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Assuming your post is legit...
Last PC I bought (a bit over a year ago) was through NZXT. I used to always build my own computers, but nah I'd rather pay a few bucks and have someone do it for me these days and help the economy to boot.
I did have two issues, but I'd still recommend them.
1) Took a while for me to get the PC, but I get their beefy selection and higher end GPUs were still in a shortage a year ago. Can't blame them for that, but I had to wait on my order because of it.
2) Every now and again I get one fan that likes to do its clicky thing. But, IMO the water cooling is the most important part to get right. Haven't had a problem with temps yet and it's been a year.
All-in-all, can't complain. And, they don't preload the PC with a bunch of garbage either. There is an NZXT system monitor app, but you can uninstall it if you don't want it.
Jeremy Falcon
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So, I've been applying to a couple of Tech Lead positions recently. I've been in Software development since 2008, and have worked with .NET since 2011. I went through several codebases throughout the years, and I have seen my fair share of atrocities done in codebases (including a critical software with 13 KLOC inside Program.cs). I believe that at least, nowadays, I know how NOT to screw things up.
Recently, I had an interview with a big company in the restaurant management sector (with customers like Burger King and others in the same range). The interviewer asked me what I thought about the usage of Stored Procedures. I told them something along the lines of:
"Well, they have their place. There might be situations worth considering their usage, but not always.
E.g., Let's say you have a highly complex report that depends on several rounds of aggregations and calculations, and it is time critical, it might be worth considering the usage of Stored Procedures, instead of doing everything on the .NET codebase. Since the database has mechanisms to handle data better (indexes, query plans and whatnot) and it is closer to the data than the application, we could leverage these things to reduce the time needed to produce this specific report".
Then, two days later, I got a rejection letter saying that my way of thinking was outdated, and that they do everything inside application code, so they would not move on with my application. So, my question is: Did I dodge a bullet, or did I in fact screw this up? How would you guys reply to this question if you were in my shoes?
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I'm not sure what you/they mean when you wrote "they do everything inside the application code"
The reporting?
If so, good thing you moved on. Also, it's rare and kind of off putting for an interviewer to say something like "your way of thinking is outdated"
It tells me you've got a primadonna infestation in that team.
When I interviewed for Expedia, some interviewer asked me to defend my lack of a BS degree.
It was at that point that I responded "I just whiteboarded all of your problems, because while you were struggling through English lit to round out your requirements, I was coding, so defend your degree first - after all I didn't pay 80k for mine"
I didn't get the job I didn't want at that point anyway.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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honey the codewitch wrote: asked me to defend my lack of a BS degree.
That is entirely stupid line of interviewing. So, interviewer just wants to have an argument about, "Is it necessary to have a college degree?"
honey the codewitch wrote: "I just whiteboarded all of your problems, because while you were struggling through English lit to round out your requirements, I was coding, so defend your degree first - after all I didn't pay 80k for mine"
Of course there can be value in a college degree, but there is nothing that 100% proves you'll be a good dev anyways.
Maybe they should make their litmus test: Have you read the entire The Art of Computer Programming by Knuth?
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raddevus wrote: Maybe they should make their litmus test: Have you read the entire The Art of Computer Programming by Knuth?
I own and have read all four volumes. Knuth simply isn't that good outside the theoretical arena, using mathematical syntax and making APL look readable. (Yes, I wrote some in APL back in high school.) There are far better books on the same subjects.
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Self-taught? So am I.
What is a BS degree anyway? It's a directed learning path, with some discussion, a bunch of lecturing, a lot of book reading, and a little experimentation. That's something we can do entirely on our own without spending $80K on it.
Hell, we can even get the same/updated books, keep them to boot, and not spend the kind of money on them the students are getting fleeced for!
Of course, we do a lot more work experimenting and learning, but that's the fun part!
The only downside is a lack of feedback on our work.
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Any time I hear stuff like this it reminds me of an interview with Scientific Atlanta. At the time I was a pure C coder, dabbled in C++ and I could spell object oriented. This was back in the day when companies spent BILLIONS making sure it was all designed OO and never produced anything. The techies were great, I answered all of their questions, actually debugged a problem that had been plaguing them, but the PM and the architect were two of the most pretentious pricks I ever had the displeasure to meet.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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honey the codewitch wrote: It was at that point that I responded "I just whiteboarded all of your problems, because while you were struggling through English lit to round out your requirements, I was coding, so defend your degree first - after all I didn't pay 80k for mine"
HA!
That's awesome.
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I had a mouth on me in my twenties.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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That's to be applauded.
Who knows where you'd be right now if you had held back and gone with them anyway...
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Not exactly the same situation, but I had something similar. At the beginning one guy (tech guru of the dept.) was getting really annoying with questions and arguments against me. I just stood up and said: "Up to this point, I do not care if you take me, I don't want to work with such a guy" and left.
2 years later, job was still not occupied... what a surprise!
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I know someone that nobody can/will work with.
It's not because of their demeanor though they can be a bit abrasive, it's more awkward than egotistical.
The reason nobody can work with them is that they developed the entire infrastructure for their websites from the ground up over the course of decades, in PHP and JS.
No JQuery, no React, none of that, but all those features - yes- hand rolled.
Funny thing that nobody can learn it.
"But I documented it thoroughly"
"You don't understand: You can't google it. Documentation can't answer arbitrary questions, and you don't have the time to give a course"
They and their employer are both too invested. And they're all making good money, but they can't grow their business as a result.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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honey the codewitch wrote: And they're all making good money, but they can't grow their business as a result.
What it is more than expected, logical in that case.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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