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Yeah, I was guessing it was legit -- but it did seem quite weird.
What I was really interested in is: "What are they even talking about? What is the technology that will be supported? What change is being made?"
Thanks
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No, that's not quite it.
I think they are saying "3rd party apps won't be able to authenticate if they don't use XYZ technology."
But they never seem to explain what XYZ technology they are talking about.
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I guess it means that unless you authenticate yourself using Microsoft's authentication, Microsoft cannot provide authentication to the mail software, in case the application asks for it. And Microsoft authentication is The Only True Authentication, isn't it?`
Ok, so my mail provider asks for another kind of authentication, one that certainly is good enough for it to both deliver my mail and accept my outgoing mail (through Thunderbird). It never made use of any Microsoft authentication, and it won't ask Microsoft to authenticate me. Of course: If the mail provider and Thunderbird really had the habit of doing that, they would have to update to match new current MS authentication. (I guess that's what MS is talking about.) But they don't.
Of course: When I do not log in to my MS account before using email or anything else, MS is loosing the opportunity to track all my work at the computer. If I use a mail system that asks for MS to authenticate me every time, MS would know of all my mail reading and which mail software I am using. Maybe even that of my mail provider - I haven't looked into the MS authentication protocol, so I do not know what kind of context info they demand.
I am quite sure that MS has no authority to interfere with the authentication between me, Thunderbird and my mail provider, on the grounds that 'We have got something even better - and besides, it gives us a mechanism for tracing your mail reading habits'. I will access my email as I have done for years, no matter which alternative authentication MS offers.
If I have to log in using my MS account (that isn't often!), the first thing I do after having completed the task and logged out is to reboot the PC, and then try access an MS service requiring MS login, to ensure that there is no hidden link to my login left behind.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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"The safety and security of your information is top priority for Microsoft. "
here's your sign. Do you know the reference?
My first comment is a slap at MS and mostly a joke. As for is this valid? Likely. Back in the days where email was just email and there were no evil doers out there, like was good. Fast forward to today, and something like 90% of internet traffic is spam. So something like 10+ years ago, ISPs started turning off email if it was encouraging spam. Or allowing it. Or even it they thought is was allowing it.
Getting to your issue: "I use Mozilla Thunderbird and have an old hotmail account." Not sure how hotmail figures in, but it's likely the standard old school pop3 sort of thing... Might be something you can look up on the Mozilla sites. Email is weird these days.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: Not sure how hotmail figures in,
Hotmail is owned by Microsoft so it is actually a MS account.
Thanks for replying and chatting about this issue.
Microsoft was really opaque about the requirements of the email client & I'm still not sure.
I will just wait and see how it turns out.
Your email did make me think of the POP3 versus IMAP issue.
Maybe MS is talking about only supporting IMAP going forward.
Mozilla Thunderbird does support IMAP[^].
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Thanks for the helpful notes. I will take a look at the article.
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I recently vowed I'd never purchase an M5 product again after more than $100 USD worth of kit just up and died on me. Not one unit. 3 of them.
Enter Makerfabs. Good build quality. Nice kits. Little bit on the expensive side but see build quality.
They've been my go to lately. However, recently Arduino got updated, and so did PlatformIO, and it broke every single RGB interface makerfabs board because of an interconnected series of issues.
Arduino on the ESP32 runs along side of and sort of on top of the ESP-IDF. The ESP-IDF is necessary to control RGB interface screens. Since Arduino was updated, what was also updated was a major version change of the ESP-IDF it runs along side, breaking code.
Authors that have developed graphics libraries that can interface with these screens have yet to update their libraries to support the latest bits.
As such, you need reference an old version of Arduino to get it to work.
Well, one of the old permalinks to that older arduino package dried up and is no longer available.
So you can't even build for these devices anymore.
After some digging and some help from a friend we finally found a workaround. I'm so relieved.
I have a $50 piece of kit from them in the mail to me right now (i ordered it before i found out about the above)
I just want some hobby kits, not anxiety.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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I have good news and bad news.
The good news is that we live in a golden era of being able to pickup a board like this for peanuts and have fun. I have a current project underway to move all of my personal office work (email, documents, PDF viewing, watching a video...) to an Arduino something or other. It has a usb-c interface and is about 2x4 inches.
Stupid small.
Bad news - with the peanut price understand that there is no long term support, quality might be dubious, have backups. As for a stable interface? Falls into the bad news. You need someone to be able to support/migrate the code package to the new h/w and they either need to be paid for it or have some other incentive.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Peanuts is relative.
Makerfabs units cost what devices sold out of the United States do, and have excellent build quality, good documentation, and now, out of date source code.
Funny thing though, I contacted them.
They got back to me and provided me updated code.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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So I am looking for a mechanical keyboard that is quiet enough for an office setting. The one I have now is way too loud, even though it was advertised as being quiet.
Anyone have any recommendations for one that is really quiet?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Wahdyasay? I can't hear you over my own keyboard. I get complaints about it from down the block.
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Yeah, my keyboard caused someone to emerge from his office to see what was making all that racket.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Unless you are working in an environment where computer use is not the norm, I would question your office mates' inability to discern the sound of a keyboard.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Hi Dave,
I don't know quite what you mean. Everyone here uses a computer, but not everyone, (meaning no one) has a mechanical keyboard.
The difficult we do right away...
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