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For each system, brain, digestion, vascular that is removed, it would need to be replaced by a more efficient system.
Does the brain of the animal use more or less energy than the controller boards to run the system?
How much energy to generate the correct solutions that are consumed by the muscle.
Filtering and separating the toxins produced by exercising the muscles?
You would lose a ton of redundancy. One bad power outage and the whole barn/warehouse is spoiled?
I will trust that millions of years of evolution have solved these problems for us simply and elegantly.
I think the vat of protein approach will win. Probably yeast based.
Or go Ring World and create C-H-O-N factories.
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Ring World - now there is a trilogy I have not read in a long, long time.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Where are you getting this information?
1. Killing animals as fertilizer is quite inefficient. Not a standard in US to my knowledge.
Using their fecal waste is much more common as a renewable fertilizer,
especially when source is large mammals such as cattle, sheep, pigs, etc. i.e. honey wagons (poop vans).
2. Organic vs inorganic is complicated. Hard to trace unless purposely done so and probably not be relevant.
In the end fertilizers are chemicals, whether naturally or synthetic produced.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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If you've already gone this far, why not just take the muscle only from a prize meat animal, grow it in a vat, cutting off pieces as necessary? There is no reason why a clump of cells could not live for a very long time, with appropriate care.
Kobe beef for the masses. Yum!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: There is no reason why a clump of cells could not live for a very long time Apoptosis is one good reason.
The only current solution is to use immortal cell lines like HeLa cell lines and I really don't think that people are going to want to eat those.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: Apoptosis is one good reason.
Well, no one ever claimed that I was a biologist...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I am not either (Apoptosis - the inherent programmed self-destruction of cells, something missing in cancer cells)
I was just lucky enough to work for a company that did gene editing, so I had the chance to have lots of really interesting conversations with the biologists.
It turns out that it's really difficult keeping a cell line alive, even the immortal cell lines and, in the company I worked for, there were people who specialised in knowing how to passage(copy and paste) the cell cultures.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Reminds me of "Mrs. 'Awkins" in the novella Methuselah's Children by Robert Heinlein. Mrs. 'Awkins was chicken tissue that had been kept alive for decades and simply kept growing. I remember one of the characters saying they wished the damned thing would die already so they could figure out what kept it alive.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Yes, I was thinking of that, too. I didn't want to enter irrelevancies like a science-fictional case into the discussion.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Seven billion people and rising all need to eat.
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There's a lot of money going into cultured meat research. While the people doing the research are telling the world "yeah, nearly there; we could just do with another million investment to fine-tune stuff" there are others who are taking a different view - that we can go on piling the investment in and yet never reach a feasible solution. It's a long article, and I've not yet read it all, but thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale
[^] picks apart the issues...
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Posted in the wrong decade?
trønderen wrote: The root do not dig down into natural soil, but cling to balls of expanded clay aggregate, being 'fed' by a nutrition solution washing over their roots. Anyone raising critical remarks to this is immediately classified along with 'tree huggers' and the like.
You mean hydroponics? Or basically just a variation of that. That has existed and been used for thousands of years.
trønderen wrote: I don't know for sure that farming science is yet ready for this kind of meat production
They have been experimenting with vat grown meat for two decades.
Singapore now has vat grown meat in at least one restaurant.
Chicken has been approved for sale in the US as of this year.
Multiple places are working with beef also.
trønderen wrote: how morally acceptable is it?
Which is why there was a conference now some years ago to decide whether vat grown meat was kosher or not. Or if it could be prepared in a kosher way.
I think there was another such meeting to decide another related issue more recently.
As to whether a vegan or vegetarian might consider that ok or not there is no authority for them. Given that it still starts with original meat I suspect most will pass.
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Can anyone recommend one that doesn't, and will block youtube ad content in videos? I'm on Chrome, mostly.
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