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Nelek19-Jan-23 11:24
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obermd21-Jan-23 6:39
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NewsNew font mandate creates frenzy at State department Pin
Kent Sharkey19-Jan-23 6:46
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obermd19-Jan-23 9:25
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trønderen19-Jan-23 10:06
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obermd20-Jan-23 4:20
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trønderen20-Jan-23 6:08
trønderen20-Jan-23 6:08 
But they replaced Arial, a sans serif typeface (not the serifed Times New Roman) with Calibri, another sans serif!

You do not 'replace' a serif typeface with a sans serif one! You can tell the users: "We suggest that you switch from serif to sans serif", but typographically, those are distinct worlds, not 'replacements' for each other!

The Wikipedia article on Arial states that "In Office 2007, Arial was replaced by Calibri as the default typeface in PowerPoint, Excel, and Outlook" - but I saw the same change in Word.

Actually, I never saw Times New Roman being the default Word typeface. I've been working in Word at a number of different locations since Word 2.0, and of course at my home PC. I doubt that all the places I have worked changed the MS default, and I certainly did not on my home PC. Could MS be running different policies in Europe and in the USA? I see that Wikipedia also states that "In Office 2007, it replaced Times New Roman as the default typeface in Word" - but that could reflect US market.

A system manager may set up default style definitions applying to the entire organization. The US State Department could have changed their default from a serif to a sans serif typeface regardless of whatever decisions MS makes.

I have never before seen anyone turn Times New Roman down for poor readability! Quite to the contrary, I have repeatedly seen it praised for its 'excellent legibility coupled with good economy' (that is an MS wording, after they switched to Calibri). It has been pointed out that especially at small sizes, it is more readable than similar (serif) fonts.

I repeat what I wrote in my previous post: 'Readability' is strongly influenced by typographical fashions. Nowadays, sans serif is the great fashion, so it is more readable - according to current judgement.

When I was a kid, there was a similar change in handwriting taught in schools: In our parents' handwriting, the letters of a word was tied together - the pencil or pen looped over to the next letter (it was termed 'loop script'), very much like serifs. A handful years before I started school, the decorative curves and loops were replaced by simplified, straight lines (termed 'stave script'). Each letter was independent formed and mostly detached from other letters, like a sans serif typeface.

Old timers were very critical to the legibility of this stave script: Identifying words is far more difficult. New timers insisted that each individual letter is more distinct, less obscured by ornamentation, improving legibility. The war went on for many years - one of my playmates learned stave script at school, but at home his parents taught him proper loop script handwriting, and he never used the stave script for anything but hand-ins at school.

Not knowing the appropriate English search terms, I was only able to find Norwegian web pages to illustrate the hand script differences - but figures are language independent. For stave script, see Stave script[^] - even though the first three variants are claimed to be Norwegian, the handwriting I learned was more like #4 (French) and #5 (New Zealand).

Loop script samples can be seen at Loop script[^]. To me, the similarity with serif typefaces is quite obvious. Most Norwegians today would consider especially the last example to be very old-style, reminding them of the lace cloth of great grandma Smile | :)

Similarly, serif fonts are old style. However, even though I have seen some really heated argument among typographers, I have never seen them in serif vs. sans serif wars at anything approaching the intensity of the handwriting wars in my childhood. The two main styles have been accepted as side by side alternatives.
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obermd20-Jan-23 8:30
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